Fishing License

[Headhunter]

Originally Posted by agelesssone

I'd also like to propose a "no catch and release" for hybrids and stripers from June thru September.

No culling, no catch and release. Catch your two fish, regardless of size (over the legal limit of 15 inches of course) and you are done for the day. This would eliminate the deaths of many fish that are fought, caught, stressed, mishandled, and released to die from delayed mortality. I'll post just one study out of many that show the mortality rate to be as high as 40% once the water temps reach 79 degrees.

http://www.bigindianabass.com/big_in...ity-study.html

And I would support a striper/hybrid stamp if it would increase the size of the fish in JPP. Old Hickory does not get the pressure as does a small impoundment like Percy Priest'

Old Hickory reservoir contains 22,500 acres (91 km2) at an elevation of 445 feet (above sea level) and extends 97.3 river miles.

J Percy Priest lake consists of 14,200 acres (57 km²) of water at summer pool elevation 490 feet (149 m) above mean sea level. The lake covers 42 river miles from the dam near Nashville to between miles six and seven of the Stones River.

Priest is loaded with giant hybrids. I mean loaded. Not sure for how long though with all the asians, laotians, mexicans keeping every fish they catch. That is the main reason behind myself not having a problem with a high striper/hybird tag cost. Not because I am rich, I am far from that, but because I would like to see that fishery (even all the fish species) protected more in any way possible. I promise you, and I am not being racist, but you do not have to look hard to see the abuse those ethnic groups put on all the fish species, but especially stripers/hybrids. many years ago, couple laotians were busted way up in fall creek on Priest netting bass, bluegill, catfish any fish they could get in the net. These people have absolutely zero concept of conservation and may never understand it.

[Headhunter]

Originally Posted by white95v6

Stamps are stupid...nuff said Lol

I disagree. Stripers/hybrids do not reproduce in fresh water. Those fish have to raised in a hatchery and then transported and released. Someone has to pay and the guys fishing specifically for them should help out in some way, just like the trout fishermen or buy a sportsman license. I do not trout fish so I am not saying that because of that.

[Headhunter]

Originally Posted by agelesssone

I'd also like to propose a "no catch and release" for hybrids and stripers from June thru September.

No culling, no catch and release. Catch your two fish, regardless of size (over the legal limit of 15 inches of course) and you are done for the day. This would eliminate the deaths of many fish that are fought, caught, stressed, mishandled, and released to die from delayed mortality. I'll post just one study out of many that show the mortality rate to be as high as 40% once the water temps reach 79 degrees.

http://www.bigindianabass.com/big_in...ity-study.html

And I would support a striper/hybrid stamp if it would increase the size of the fish in JPP. Old Hickory does not get the pressure as does a small impoundment like Percy Priest'

Old Hickory reservoir contains 22,500 acres (91 km2) at an elevation of 445 feet (above sea level) and extends 97.3 river miles.

J Percy Priest lake consists of 14,200 acres (57 km²) of water at summer pool elevation 490 feet (149 m) above mean sea level. The lake covers 42 river miles from the dam near Nashville to between miles six and seven of the Stones River.

No culling is just enforceable. What do you do when you catch one and you don't want it or you are fishing for bass or crappie but you catch several hyrbrids (maybe stripers even) but I have seen times where while bass or crappie fishing I have caught many hybrids and not wanting to catch a hybrid at all. Do I have to quit fishing for crappie or bass because I caught 2 legal hybrids?

[XxthejuicexX]

Originally Posted by Headhunter

Priest is loaded with giant hybrids. I mean loaded. Not sure for how long though with all the asians, laotians, mexicans keeping every fish they catch. That is the main reason behind myself not having a problem with a high striper/hybird tag cost. Not because I am rich, I am far from that, but because I would like to see that fishery (even all the fish species) protected more in any way possible. I promise you, and I am not being racist, but you do not have to look hard to see the abuse those ethnic groups put on all the fish species, but especially stripers/hybrids. many years ago, couple laotians were busted way up in fall creek on Priest netting bass, bluegill, catfish any fish they could get in the net. These people have absolutely zero concept of conservation and may never understand it.

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[Headhunter]

Originally Posted by TNBronzeback

I guess im not clear on the logic behind that. If the sole purpose behind that is to provide added revenue for the fish/game funding, the smart money would be to go after a more popular game fish, like bass. Some of these weekend tourneys that happen from early spring well into winter would generate tens of thousands of dollars a year based on the per person per year @ $50-$100.
In no way am i suggesting that for all you bass guys, but if revenue is the main goal from that suggestion, i would think it makes sense to go after a money making species. And now that TWRA has listened to the bass community and have a more widespread florida strain stocking plan in place, that just makes more sense.
just my 2 cents worth.

The sole purpose is not revenue. I am sure the TWRA could use it and maybe all the money from the tag could go to striper/hybrid restocking, but moreso to prevent the abuse of the striper/hybrid fishery. It is almost impossible to prove, there is a large group that targets striper/hybrid almost every day of the year and they are selling them.

[Headhunter]

Originally Posted by XxthejuicexX

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You can make fun of me all you want, but the people I mentioned have no clue about conservation, and they will fish the striper/hybrid population into nonexistence. Below nice mill dam, for years and years you could go fish and catch all the white bass you wanted. Priest still has lots of white bass but the guys I know have quit fishing that area of the river because it has been basically wiped out. These laotians, asians etc. have no clue. they not only catch them to eat, they sell them. Below Cheatham, forever there was a guy collecting stripers as they were caught and carrying them to coolers in their cars. They are becoming even better at concealing what they do and there are not enough officers to be there 24/7. bring that dead horse back, I just hope the fishing lasts through my lifetime.

[TNBronzeback]

Originally Posted by Headhunter

The sole purpose is not revenue. I am sure the TWRA could use it and maybe all the money from the tag could go to striper/hybrid restocking, but moreso to prevent the abuse of the striper/hybrid fishery. It is almost impossible to prove, there is a large group that targets striper/hybrid almost every day of the year and they are selling them.

I understand what your saying, and yes, the idea behind that makes sense, but if there will not be an increase in patrols by the TWRA to check for the permit, then the majority would not purchase it, im not saying that is right, im just saying thats probably how it would go. Also, what i see as a possible issue would be "what makes me a striper fisherman" that would need me to buy the stamp if i dont plan to keep them? Tackle, rigging, location, bait/lures?
I can drift live shad up and down the river all day long with a basic live bait rig down deep for the sole purpose of catch and release stripers in the summer, i do it every year in Melton Hill. That just so happens to be the exact same set-up alot of cat fisherman use too, me included. If the TWRA pulls up to me, see's me drifting live shad, i can tell them no, im not fishing for stripers, im fishing for cats.i have no stripers in the boat, but they cant rightfully ticket me since they have no proof im targeting stripers, if they see me catch and release one, well i cant control what fish eats my live bait. that may sound childish to some, but thats how these things work, ive seen it myself in michigan, hell ive done it! (not proudly, but i was young and just wanted to catch some spawning bass). now some methods, like planer boards are a different story or topwater, but in my opinion there is enough of a grey area to allow people to still target them most of the year, but not have enough evidence to prove they are in the wrong, unless they keep them.
Im not trying to shoot down anybody else's idea's here or argue with anybody, but its not as simple as creating a high dollar stamp and hoping the honor system works ya know.

[white95v6]

Originally Posted by Headhunter

I disagree. Stripers/hybrids do not reproduce in fresh water. Those fish have to raised in a hatchery and then transported and released. Someone has to pay and the guys fishing specifically for them should help out in some way, just like the trout fishermen or buy a sportsman license. I do not trout fish so I am not saying that because of that.

I am well aware of that stripers /hybrids don't reproduce....but stamps are stupid i say again. Even the the trout stamp.

[tkwalker]

Originally Posted by Headhunter

I disagree. Stripers/hybrids do not reproduce in fresh water. Those fish have to raised in a hatchery and then transported and released. Someone has to pay and the guys fishing specifically for them should help out in some way, just like the trout fishermen or buy a sportsman license. I do not trout fish so I am not saying that because of that.

This is not quite a true statement (Speaking of Stripers on Old Hickory, Hey they are not hybrids, their natural instinct is to spawn ... Why do you think they swim upstream in the Spring ... Yep To spawn, and a false spawn in the Fall ... Kind of a false hatch like Turkeys ... The Rocks do the same thing in the Fall except they won't have row ) ... The TWRA biologist that I worked and spoke with in the 80's, 90's and early 2000 stated that about 5% actually reproduced in this fishery ... In A Heart Beat you can tell if a Big Sow has spawned ... But to reproduce you need the following ....

Now it has to be select waters ... They need 9 miles of hard current to keep the Fry tumbling before they can survive on their on... If the current is lost they drop to the bottom in the rocks ... Think about where their Journey ends after stopping by for a brief time at GSP ... They are looking for The perfect spawn temp ... 60 degree water and premo bait fish (Skippies) ... Just a heads up ..<'TK>< PHD in Piscatorial Paraphernalia and Scaly Face Psychology ...

[tennarl]

Originally Posted by Headhunter

Priest is loaded with giant hybrids. I mean loaded. Not sure for how long though with all the asians, laotians, mexicans keeping every fish they catch. That is the main reason behind myself not having a problem with a high striper/hybird tag cost. Not because I am rich, I am far from that, but because I would like to see that fishery (even all the fish species) protected more in any way possible. I promise you, and I am not being racist, but you do not have to look hard to see the abuse those ethnic groups put on all the fish species, but especially stripers/hybrids. many years ago, couple laotians were busted way up in fall creek on Priest netting bass, bluegill, catfish any fish they could get in the net. These people have absolutely zero concept of conservation and may never understand it.

In my experience, someone who refers to multiple "minorities" in a public forum and later says "promise you, I'm not racist" is probably racist. I'm guessing, but you were born pre-1960, no? Not here to cause huge stink, but I'll cause a minor one because you weren't even trying to hide your distaste. Like no white, redneck has ever over-harvested fish. And don't give us the "conservation" nonsense. For every "Laotian" I've seen taking home a stringer of crappies there's 10 -- here it comes again -- white, rednecks driving around percy drunk, tossing trash overboard, and saying the same gibberish as you under their breath. I'm sure I'm in the minority with my take considering the likely demographics of this board but figure someone should say something.

Suppose this is a bad time to ask about water clarity, no?

[tennarl]

Originally Posted by Pookie

Damn! Pretty quick to judge yourself, aren't ya? You love using the word redneck, but probably despise the use of the word nigger. Oh yeah, just figured somebody ought to say something.

So by calling someone out for being overtly racist, it spurred someone else to defend said racist by using the n-word on a public forum. But you used it passive aggressively, so everyone should probably just give you a pass, no?

[Pookie]

Originally Posted by tennarl

So by calling someone out for being overtly racist, it spurred someone else to defend said racist by using the n-word on a public forum. But you used it passive aggressively, so everyone should probably just give you a pass, no?

You are the only prick here deciding who is racist, and who isn't. And yeah, I probably ought to just get a pass. If you don't like it, take it up with TK. He's the only one here that gets to make that call. It's certainly not your call.

[tennarl]

Originally Posted by Pookie

You are the only prick here deciding who is racist, and who isn't. And yeah, I probably ought to just get a pass. If you don't like it, take it up with TK. He's the only one here that gets to make that call. It's certainly not your call.

I'm not deciding anything. Ask any outside opinion about that dude's post and they would tell you it was offensive and racist regardless of accuracy or intention. But because this is a small "community" people feel it OK to just spit out whatever pops into their head because there are surrounded by what they believe to be a group that will agree. The problem is, I didn't agree. It was garbage. You defending him was garbage. And to a certain degree, my response was as well but if it makes at least one person think before they spew out some narrow-minded stream of consciousness, then mission accomplished.

[white95v6]

Headhunter has said many times he has took home limits day after day if bass,crappie etc etc....lmao

Not that really care

[tkwalker]

Originally Posted by tennarl

In my experience, someone who refers to multiple "minorities" in a public forum and later says "promise you, I'm not racist" is probably racist. I'm guessing, but you were born pre-1960, no? Not here to cause huge stink, but I'll cause a minor one because you weren't even trying to hide your distaste. Like no white, redneck has ever over-harvested fish. And don't give us the "conservation" nonsense. For every "Laotian" I've seen taking home a stringer of crappies there's 10 -- here it comes again -- white, rednecks driving around percy drunk, tossing trash overboard, and saying the same gibberish as you under their breath. I'm sure I'm in the minority with my take considering the likely demographics of this board but figure someone should say something.

Suppose this is a bad time to ask about water clarity, no?

Andrew, I have been following this thread for sometime ... And Andrew there is only about 10 years different in both of your ages ... I see where Headhunter is coming from .. This topic has been hit many times before ... Illegal Harvesting , trashing the banks etc. by Asians, Latino's , etc...

Here is my 7 decade observation on this subject of fishing Middle Tennessee ... I will start with the last three decades In reference to the Asians and Latino's, etc ... Now this is my personal observations while fishing and guiding on JPP, East and West Fork and Old Hickory, also Barkley, Cheatham, Normandy, Center Hill ...

When the first wave of (for the most part from Latin America was Illegal 's, the Asian Community were more documented) The worst that I saw as far as overharvesting was from the 80's up to mid 2000 ... Since that time I have seen a reduction as far a Blatant overharvesting and trashing ... And I do think communication and education has helped some ... Now there is an undue Stigma that is held on the earlier years for sure ... But the overharvesting and trashing is still there today...

Now let's look at us White Rednecks .. Yep we are guilty as charged! Now the legal aspect of this if you can find some 50's thru 70's fishing Magazines of the stringers of fish that was kept legally, including tournaments, held up by the Proud Fisherman on stringers which would be considered illegal by today's standards ..Especially keeping the BASS ...

Now are we white rednecks guilty of overharvesting and Trashing .. yes indeed !! I have witnessed dozens of trophy stripers laying on the bank of the Caney with their throats cut by the locals in Carthage because they were considered trash fish with their Beer cans and whisky bottles ... Also while trout fishing on the Caney at Bettys Island a family of locals catching over limit trout and hauling them up to their house on their 4 wheeler and coming back to reload ... Crappie Fishing, Bass Fishing, Stripers etc ... But the overharvesting and trashing is still there today... BY the white Redneck ...


Also have paid the price by approaching a fisherman (White Redneck) who was keeping undersize Stripers 3 times the limit ... What I received back at the ramp was all four of my tandem trailer and all 4 of my truck Valve stems pulled from my wheels ... all 8 on a Sunday evening a nightfall ... Yep they were all white rednecks ...

So Andrew here is what I think and a question ... I think you are a fisherman and want to gain from this site and I feel could add a lot of valuable information for us ... And to be honest I know that all of our members are not white and rednecks ... Now this is a family oriented site and I will say everything was honest and above board ... But now it has got way off subject from the original post ... But it was a great subject (Again) But remember there are a lot of great members here ... and don't judge our age in regards to prejudice .. Now you are profiling, and you are wrong !!... Which is not uncommon for a 37 year old ...

Now we have a couple of members who add nothing as far as good info to the site for a LONG TIME!... all they want to do is gripe and complain about the site and cause trouble ... This conversation was none of the above ... Thanks for you input ... <'TK><