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[agelesssone]

Originally Posted by Halli

Shut Up ...bonehead it's PRE meditated with that talk.

Anytime we are packing while fishing, it's kinda "premeditated".

You think about it, that's why you pack.

Myself, I pack all the time, but I ignore ignoramus's who park close. Got used to it at the barrier in the steam plant.

Can't fight stupidity and you can't control everyone else. Just control yourself.

Unless you want to be a badass and climb into someone's boat....and put that person in fear for their life (especially old people), wherefore you may find yourself floating down the current, looking at the holes in your chest, thinking, why did I let myself get angry over such a trivial thing. Fade to black.....

[TNBronzeback]

i dont like close quarters fishing situations of any kind.
my only exception to that rule is fishing below dams for saugers. And my experience that is the guys that do that kind of fishing all understand that and i have never had any problems. Ofcourse ive never seen more than 3-4 boats at one time either.
But i understand where people come come from about that. The only variable is the great unknown. You have no idea who the guy(s) are in the other boat. Sure you can mouth off, maybe even pull up your shirt and flash your firearm with no intent to draw or use, however the other boat may be insane and actually take it to the next level.

[agelesssone]

But.....when you intentionally flash you gun in your waistband, you have just committed a felony by "threatening" someone with a firearm.
Wasn't long ago a guy got into a pissing match with a lady on the highway, she pulled into a gas station, he followed, got out of his car, lifted his shirt to show his firearm. She called cops and he was arrested for threatening with a firearm.
Don't know what the court outcome was, just know that his firearm was confiscated on the spot.
Never INTENTIONALLY expose a concealed weapon. Open carry is not threatening, it's just open carry.

[TNBronzeback]

yeah i guess the actual definition is debatable, but when i took my permit class at Guns-N-Leather said under no circumstance are you allowed to "brandish" your firearm unless you feel your life is in imminent danger, inwhich case if you pull it, you better use it to "neutralize" the threat. Again, another definition up for grabs.
I personally dont see an issue with the gun being holstered under clothing but the holder exposes the weapon WHILE REMAINING HOLSTERED to what they percieve as a threat under any circumstance. Im not saying its the right approach, but it may prevent somebody from doing something bad......or it may escalate the situation.
so merv, your saying that if i have my gun open carry outside of clothing, you and i get into an argument, im 100% legal to draw attention to, or point to my exposed gun, but i would be breaking the law if its holstered under my shirt but i expose the gun to you?
Im not saying your wrong, but it sounds stupid to me. Whats the difference?

[XxthejuicexX]

TN. From what I know It's actually considered assault with a deadly weapon if you pull up your shirt to show it/ threaten with it. It sounds crazy I know. I think if you had it opened carried and just turned so the individual could see it I think that's fine. I don't think pointing at it is OK because it falls under the assault with a deadly weapon by threatening use. If you pull it out of the holster your life better be in danger whether you shoot or not. I am not saying if you pull it go ahead and start shooting because the sight of the gun being drawn could be enough to discourage the attacker. Talking about being on boats and people arguing. If you are just pissed and yelling at me big whoop, if you come up to my boat and try/get in my boat, the gun is coming out. At that point I would consider my life to be in danger.

That leads to the arguing of what situation do you consider your life to be in danger. In a situation like above I think you have the right to pull your gun. Say dude pushes or punches me I fall out, hit my head and drown..... It is a very unique situation for each individual. You could be attacked and punched once in your chest and stop your heart...... I just don't allow the situation to escalate to that point. I'm Pretty laid back and realize there is a large portion of the population that are jackasses and don't warrant my time.

[TNBronzeback]

im sure the law may read that way but thats just crazy to me!
if 2 people square of:
A: open carry guy turns full circle clearly showing he is armed, never touches weapon = OK
B: concealed carry guy lifts shirt/opens jacket to show he is carrying, never touches weapon = BAD.

LMAO.
Ofcourse its not that clear, no threatening to shoot, pointing to weapon, putting finger on weapon changes the game, but still. Crazy.
thats what i took away from my course 5 or so years ago....you cannot "brandish" your weapon unless you plan on firing, cause if you do and dont shoot, then yes, thats a big no no.
The term brandish means to wave around or flourish the weapon, none of which would apply to simply making it known by visual reference that you are armed.
doesnt matter to me either way because in the end, in an event of something happening, there are so many variables to take into consideration. Im not the kind of guy that would lift my shirt to expose my weapon anyways, but if need be, i draw it, the hook is getting pulled atleast once. I will deal with any consequences, legal or emotional after the smoke clears.
that may come off as harsh or crass irresponsible to some but if you give me a reason to pull it, GOD willing im gonna give you a reason to re-think your actions.

[Travis C.]

I do not have a carry permit so I am asking this out of legal curiosity.

Can you carry on Corps or TVA land and/or lakes outside of hunting seasons?

If so then it doesn't matter much my next comment but if they do not then the life threatening situation wouldn't matter from a legal perspective for a carry person...right?

[SAMBOLIE]

Originally Posted by Travis C.

I do not have a carry permit so I am asking this out of legal curiosity.

Can you carry on Corps or TVA land and/or lakes outside of hunting seasons?

If so then it doesn't matter much my next comment but if they do not then the life threatening situation wouldn't matter from a legal perspective for a carry person...right?

If you are carrying in a no weapon zone and are forced to defend your life with the weapon you can't be convicted of carrying in that area. So says my instructor.

[Travis C.]

Originally Posted by SAMBOLIE

If you are carrying in a no weapon zone and are forced to defend your life with the weapon you can't be convicted of carrying in that area. So says my instructor.

Interesting, thanks SAMOLIE.

[SAMBOLIE]

Originally Posted by Travis C.

Interesting, thanks SAMOLIE.

Of course if you do not have to defend yourself then you are a criminal. What dumb ass creates these laws?

Oops. Sorry Hillary and crowd for calling you a dumb ass.

[SAMBOLIE]

Originally Posted by agelesssone

But.....when you intentionally flash you gun in your waistband, you have just committed a felony by "threatening" someone with a firearm.
Wasn't long ago a guy got into a pissing match with a lady on the highway, she pulled into a gas station, he followed, got out of his car, lifted his shirt to show his firearm. She called cops and he was arrested for threatening with a firearm.
Don't know what the court outcome was, just know that his firearm was confiscated on the spot.
Never INTENTIONALLY expose a concealed weapon. Open carry is not threatening, it's just open carry.

Hypothetical question.
Say you have your grand father in his 80's in the boat and he wheels it out and lets the stream fly where the occupants of the encroaching boat can see his barrel. Is that 'assault with a dead weapon'?

[white95v6]

Originally Posted by Travis C.

I do not have a carry permit so I am asking this out of legal curiosity.

Can you carry on Corps or TVA land and/or lakes outside of hunting seasons?

If so then it doesn't matter much my next comment but if they do not then the life threatening situation wouldn't matter from a legal perspective for a carry person...right?

You can carry on the boat. But not on their land.

[gordonc615]

man look what I started haha

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[FishAddict]

I fish below the dams often. Close quarters fishing is not unusual. If you go enough, you will get to know the guys. It is just not a big deal. Chill a li'l there Gordon.

[gordonc615]

oh I do alot of close quarters fishing trust me it's the norm below OH if ur on the generator side but this was different just saying show a little respect ya know

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