01-25-2013, 11:09 PM
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Reread what I posted.
Sitting on the same fish day in day out with live bait, cast nets, cranks or flies, catching the alpha fish and eating them is selfish plain and simple.
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01-25-2013, 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jad2t
And to you Mike - If you're so concerned about people depleting your middle TN streams, why take them on guided trips there? Do you really think some of them don't come back, now that they know your hot spots, and fish for food if they so desire?
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For starters Trout aren't my pets and the middle tn streams aren't my streams so I'd appreciate it if you'd stop projecting that attitude towards me. It turns a legitimate discussion into a pissing match. No need in that. I don't think I came across that way and if somehow I did,, I didn't mean to.
My comments about the attitude was because of this post.
"Gee thats too bad; I haven't eaten one of those bad boys since sunday".
I guide because fishing has been a passion of mine all my life. I enjoy passing it on to another generation insuring it will be here for my future generations.
I eat Trout too. I'm just selective about the ones I eat vs the ones I let swim. Eating the holdover Trout from a tailwater with tons of predators is counter productive if you enjoy catching holdover trout. But hey,, what do I know...
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01-25-2013, 11:47 PM
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I meant the other Mike, the one who guides for smallmouth.
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01-26-2013, 12:04 AM
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The other Mike ? <'TK><
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Originally Posted by jad2t
I meant the other Mike, the one who guides for smallmouth.
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Jimmy, Mike anderson is a pro Guide ... Are you referring to Mike (MNFISHER) I don't think he guides .. But He May ? <'TK>< 
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01-26-2013, 12:06 AM
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No I meant Creeksmallie. His name is Mike isn't it?
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01-26-2013, 12:20 AM
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That would be Mike Dial ... <'TK><
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No I meant Creeksmallie. His name is Mike isn't it?
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Yes he is the premo Pro True Creek Guide !! and we mean wadable creeks . No boats for Mike ... <'TK>< ... Uck ... Snakes and things 
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01-26-2013, 11:01 AM
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A few thoughts:
1. After getting some requests by PM, I have reconsidered what I said before, and I deleted the name of the creek. I should have done it from the beginning. I would have deleted the whole thread, but there are other things being discussed here, so it seems like a reasonable compromise.
2. Most (not all) of our small creeks in Middle Tennessee are relatively clean. There are a few exceptions, but for the majority of creeks, fishing pressure will cause a lot more damage than pollution.
3. The accusation is getting thrown around that I am against anybody keeping fish, ever. That's not true in the least. I like to keep fish regularly myself. That said, I am strictly catch-and-release when bass fishing small creeks, because those fisheries are very vulnerable to fishing pressure. On a lake, if you catch a big bass and keep it, another comparable fish will come along and occupy its place fairly soon. In a creek, it may be a couple years before another fish grows into that niche, in that particular hole.
4. Yes, I also encourage turning trophy fish loose. We revere trophy fish because they are special - a rare combination of genetics and luck. I'd rather keep a few smaller fish and let the big one go, to let someone else have a shot at it too. If someone catches a fish of a lifetime and wants to keep it, I have no problem with that. But there are guys who have nothing else to do but put a lot of time in on the water, catch large numbers of trophy-class fish, and kill a whole lot of them. I am not a big fan of that, and I think the "meat hunter" designation is very appropriate.
5. As far as Jadt2 - with all due respect, just because it's legal statewide to keep five bass a day doesn't mean it's harmless to keep those five bass a day from a small creek. Yeah, one guy keeping five bass one time doesn't hurt anything. But direct half the Internet to that creek and let a bunch of people keep five bass a day over the course of a season, and it'll take years for that creek to recover. Small creeks and lakes are not the same.
6. It's not just about "Asians and Mexicans." I hate poachers and cast netters as much as the next guy, and I've got TWRA programmed into my phone so I can call when I see the nets being thrown. But a white guy stressing a resource with no respect for what it can sustain can cause problems just as easily.
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01-26-2013, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Anderson
Sitting on the same fish day in day out with live bait, cast nets, cranks or flies, catching the alpha fish and eating them is selfish plain and simple.
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Agreed. With emphasis on the day in, day out.
A guy who catches and keeps one or two 24" browns or one 20" smallie in a season doesn't have a measurable impact on a fishery.
The guy who is out there once or twice a week, pretty much all year, killing several dozen or more trophy fish every season, year after year - that guy has an undeniable impact on a fishery.
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01-26-2013, 11:38 AM
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Well said BD, I agree 100% with everything you said there!
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01-26-2013, 12:59 PM
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Can't we all just get along?
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01-26-2013, 01:27 PM
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Can't we all just get along?
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Haha! There will never be common agreement in this topic! In reality we still respect each other, fishermen just like expressing their opinions on this topic!
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01-26-2013, 05:13 PM
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Why do I guide? I guide because I love fishing. I guide on some very small bodies of water. Yes I do eat Rock Bass from time to time. I also guide to educate.
A Lot of my clients over 16 years (or so) of guiding catch some of there biggest smallmouth and I teach the value of catch and release. I like TK and Mike Anderson are selective on who we choose to guide. Yes I hope the client goes back and uses what I have taught them. These are not my creeks and most places I go anyone can wade without permission. At the gathering I showed a couple of folks maps of good spots (that I guide on) to fish but I am not going to post the map on here. I have a freezer full of fish but I have not kept smallies in a long time just my preference.
When I was In college I would keep alot of fish. It was easy to wade the creek and come out with 20 Rock Bass and 5 smallies in a couple of hours. I also screwed up (Over harvested)some good holes because the fish do not move much in the summer unless there is a good rise and the water stays up for a while. So I fished the same stretch and wondered why I am not catching fish. They were in My belly.LOL I have witnessed legal and illegal citizens with sienes and keeping everything and the holes will not replenish till spring. I log a lot of hours on the streams and fish the same stretches sometimes 3 and 4 times a week in the spring and summer with good catch rates. I rarely see another fisherman. I was guilty of naming some streams and sections on the internet( when I started guiding) and did see more people in the mentioned sections and did see the catch rates go down to zero. So from my experience I do not name the streams on a public forum. I am sorry I stirred up a can of worms there are some great comments in here. If anyone wants to mention stream names gps coordinates eat 20 inch smallies from said stream, keep there legal limit out of the small creeks that is fine but they will see the catch rates go down.I like to catch more than I like to eat. I remember one Late August day I was exploring a section of stream I had never fished and caught what I thought was a 20 incher and a 8 or 9 in the 13 to 17 inch range from one rootball. I called BD up and took him the next week and he caught the 20 incher which we measured from the same spot. I got to watch a former client and now friend catch a true stream trophy and that is rewarding and why I guide.
I am done with this thread going to paint some sauger jigs for next week.
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01-26-2013, 09:24 PM
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Ok, I guess I'll go to ***** ****** Lake instead. Beforehand, I'll go to **** *** Shop for some ***** to catch plenty of ****. PM me for *******.
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01-27-2013, 12:13 AM
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Ok, I guess I'll go to ***** ****** Lake instead. Beforehand, I'll go to **** *** Shop for some ***** to catch plenty of ****. PM me for *******.
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01-27-2013, 12:22 AM
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Ok, I guess I'll go to ***** ****** Lake instead. Beforehand, I'll go to **** *** Shop for some ***** to catch plenty of ****. PM me for *******.
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Sorry, Doc. I had several requests to cut the name of the creek, but I didn't want to delete your entire thread. Best compromise I could achieve.
If you have concerns or objections, feel free to PM me.
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