Old Hickory Small mouth

Originally Posted by tkwalker

Billy, if you will check the comments you will still see the 50/50 Catch and release and keep ratio is now kicking in ... .......... If you have never tasted Smallie or large mouth ... Why Not ??? These Fish are not religious Gods for the privileged ... If you fish the Canada waters ... These are caught for your shore lunch (and considered eatable trash fish over the Walleye) ... When I was Tourney fishing in the 70's and 80's points was deducted for dead fish ... But a pool was set up on who got the dead ones from week to week ... Because !!!! They are good eating ... I believe in catch and release ... This was an issue I pushed when I was guiding for stripers ... Not for a table fare but as a wall hanger ... But I still let clients keep trophys under certain guidelines same as Ralph Dallas ...

Now, with this said ... I measured your fish and you are right on with 22 inches ... It is called interpulation ... I measured your fist from thumb to pinky .. approx. 5 +/- inches (average width .. I used mine as a example) ... I then took a ruler and measured the whole pic of you holding the fish (I have a 24 inch monitor) ... The interpulation was your 5 inch fist converted to 2 inches on my ruler .. Holding it up to your pic ... The length of your pic was 9 inches divided by 2 = 4.5 X 5 inches = 22.5 inches ... ...,

Also read where big smallies are rare ... Somebody needs to stop watching Football in January and TV in February and go to the Hollow and fish Floatn' Flys or Westmorelands blade baits ... And at the same time watch the Eagles (not the one's from Philadelphia) over head ... and try to keep your butt warm ... with the ice formations on the bank walls ... If you are lucky you might get a true keeper Smallie in the boat !!!

Do not be intimidated by the posters ... ............. either way ... Flyfisher purist verses the spin guy ... The catch and release verses the meat eater who feeds his family (now there are pros and cons there when you have a $35,000 Bass Boat) ...... If it is legal it is up to you ... Sample what God and TWRA did give us and you make up your mind on what works for you ... I'll guarantee you that there are more Smallies and LM Bass in these waters than ther was 30 years ago ... and there was no shortage then !!! As far as substituting Gills for smallies for a table fare instead of Smalies ... I really don't know what this has to do with the subject ... I caught 8 hybrid Gills and Shellcrackers out of my pond today which I stock for a great meal and the freezer ... But I also stock bass for my table as well ... But I am fortunate that I can stock my on (Do to hard work and NO entitlements!!) ... But If I didn't have this Luxury I would take From Our fisheries ... JUST REMEMBER!!! ... .... Take legally what you need for an occasional treat, unless you are on wellfare, foodstamps, and fish from the bank, In that case keep everything you catch !! "It saves my Tax Dollars" !! ... ) <'TK><

No one said they are impossible to catch but consider the facts on Old Hickory how many tournaments have 18 + smallmouth brung in ? How many people I talk to never caught a keeper smallmouth on the hick . I bet you are still guessing" well not many at all. I wasnt saying they are impossible to catch at all if you are referring to me. I have seen times you can lock through and bring a 20 + stringer of smallies in any day of the week or pull up on a piont on the Hick and catch plenty 18in +. Now they have a 18 in size limit on them they get to grow and more get caught on the Hick. If you are a fisherman that eats what he catches more power too him keep anything legal ! I my self just hate seeing a beautiful BIG largemouth and smallmouth get eaten. I would trade a man a boat load of 14 in largemouth for one 4lb largemouth or smallie get turned back to its home.

[Travis C.]

Originally Posted by sterling21

No one said they are impossible to catch but consider the facts on Old Hickory how many tournaments have 18 + smallmouth brung in?

I think that number is low because people aren't out there trying to win the tourney's fishing for smallie's in their places. You'll see them show up in summer/late summer tourney's because people are out on ledges fishing. Plus, a 19 or maybe even 20" smallie would have a good chance of getting culled.

It would be interesting to see an all smallmouth tournament on Old Hickory and what's brought in.

Travis I personally have caught on a couple ledges mostly keeper smallmouth before !I know people dont fish for them enough and they are kinda a hidden secret. Its sucks turning back a 3 lb smallie in a tourney because of it being to short but thats part of it. That would be interested if there was a smally tourney on Old hickory ! I think it would be won with one or two fish due to the abundance of large mouth !

[blr3a]

I haven't seen anyone weigh more than one smallie in at a tournament since the 18" limit. I can't remember ever seeing more than two being weighed in at a tournament between the entire field of boats come to think of it, and I have only seen this happen late in the year when everyone is fishing offshore or steep bluffs. Locking through is a different story, but I usually fish the 3-5 hour tournaments and no one risks being stuck below the dam! But anyways, this is why I had to get a picture: its the biggest smallie I have caught on OH! Don't judge, I don't target them... and she's a good fish in anyone's book! Now... where are those 10+ inch crappie at? If I don't find them soon I will be after the bucket mouths again

[thehick176]

Wow this post got pretty out of hand huh? I have personally been to Canada more than once and have caught more smallies there than you could imagine. It's just something about those fish that seem special, maybe the elusiveness or that they aren't easy to fool, who knows. IMO TN should look at how Canada handles their lenght limits. Keep the small ones and release the big ones. It's obviously worked there!

[Travis C.]

Originally Posted by blr3a

But anyways, this is why I had to get a picture: its the biggest smallie I have caught on OH! Don't judge, I don't target them... and she's a good fish in anyone's book!

That's one nice fish for sure. I don't want to across as judging. Heck, if you had ate it that is fine with me as long as it's legal.

I was simply wanting to say you can really get after fish like that if you changed up when/where you fished on Old Hickory. They are in there.

[tsuggs]

blr3a/ My crappie catching started increasing when I started targeting structure on or near the river channel dropoffs. I also started trusting my depth finder,threw out a marker buoy,and all i do is vertical fishing. If you get snagged in 15 to 20 ft. you know your in the ball park.This is very sloooow fishing.I also troll with bandit 200s.I rarely catch short fish with these techniques but i do not catch great numbers either. Hope it helps.

[jad2t]

Originally Posted by tkwalker

Do not be intimidated by the posters ... ............. either way ... Flyfisher purist verses the spin guy ... The catch and release verses the meat eater who feeds his family (now there are pros and cons there when you have a $35,000 Bass Boat) ...... If it is legal it is up to you ... Sample what God and TWRA did give us and you make up your mind on what works for you

Exactly! I'm tired of people jumping down our throats for wanting to keep trout, smallies, etc. Who made them the judge of what is acceptable to feed yourself and your family with and what is not? If you are smart, you understand that meat and fish are essential to our health as human beings. If you're a vegetarian or vegan, well...that's a different argument. If you prefer to eat fish from WalMart that was raised in a Chinese sewage pond (no exaggeration, google it) then by all means, suit yourself and deal with the health consequences. Me, I'd rather save my money and eat fresh fish from waters I know are clean(er). I throw plenty of fish back but you can believe when my freezer is getting low, that cooler gets filled up on fishing days.

[thehick176]

You shouldn't be offended by someone posting their opinion on a subject if you are gonna post yours.

[jaycee]

I have friends the that would never release anything if not for the minimum size limit. They were raised on the land and keep and eat everything they catch.

I do not keep lm bass, not good to eat imo, too mushey.

We have huge 30 to 50 people fish frys every couple of weeks and always have enough to feed everyone. Catfish, crappie, bgill etc. I do not feel we hurt the fish population.

We also cook other wild game so we do not go hungry and have a lots of fun. Ever heard of the "Walter Hill Country Club"?

I do have a Philosophy in that I release the trophys and the others are fair game. It is much fun to fish, release and come home and not have to clean fish sometime. But it is disheartning to catch a really nice one when fishing alone and not being able to show someone. A picture made by ones self does not always do the trick.

My Grandkids gave me shirt for Father's Day the says, " There's room for all of God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy."

Now you tournament fisherpeople. Tell me the survival rate of the gene pool bass that are kept in the livewells, then weighed, then photographed and held while breaking their lower jaw swinging them around. Then released.

This is after running from one end of the lake to the other blowing all the others off the lake.

More than one view point. Which one is right? Opinions are like......, everyon has one.

Enough of this rambling but it was fun, I am going fishing, see ya

[blr3a]

Originally Posted by Travis C.

That's one nice fish for sure. I don't want to across as judging. Heck, if you had ate it that is fine with me as long as it's legal.

I was simply wanting to say you can really get after fish like that if you changed up when/where you fished on Old Hickory. They are in there.

I'm sorry I never meant to imply anyone was judging, I was simply trying to make a joke about me wanting a picture with this fish like a little kid. In fact, if I was not a member on this forum I would have never put her in the livebwell. But thanks! And... I agree! I think these fish can be targeted and caught, but I simply don't have the patience knowing I can catch LM more easily. Before the 18" rule, I had a spot near Avondale I would stop by in every tournament and it rarely failed to produce a 14-16 inch fish. Dale Hollow and Center Hill are a different story... for me anyways.

Jaycee : (quote)Now you tournament fisherpeople. Tell me the survival rate of the gene pool bass that are kept in the livewells, then weighed, then photographed and held while breaking their lower jaw swinging them around. Then released.

... Are you insinuating the majority of fish caught in tournaments are killed? " while breaking their lower jaw swinging them around. Then released." This sounds like an attack. I have never EVER seen anyone in a tournament break a fish's jaw. The only jaws I have seen broken was by Jimmy Houston who tends to want to hold the fish horizontal by torquing their lower jaw. I believe he is pathetic. However he is a TV fisherman, not a tournament fisherman (anymore anyways). Please don't suggest "tournament fisherpeople" as people who enjoy murdering fish. Thousands of fish are released at Flippers in Gallatin every year, I don't remember seeing thousands of them floating around dead though. If you look at my pictures you will see the fish is supported... even horizontally. Also, please keep in mind how much money big tournaments bring in for the TWRA in out of state licenses. Please don't be confused, you didn't step on my toes or "hurt my feelings"... I just think your comment is absurd. As I was putting my boat on the trailer I was watching a kid cast out.... catch a small blue gill... and run backwards dragging the fish onto the bank, instead of reeling it in. Then, unhooking it with pliers and kicking it back into the water. HOWEVER, you will not find me or anyone else petitioning to have kids stopped from fishing. I know not all kids behave in this manner.

[blr3a]

Originally Posted by tsuggs

blr3a/ My crappie catching started increasing when I started targeting structure on or near the river channel dropoffs. I also started trusting my depth finder,threw out a marker buoy,and all i do is vertical fishing. If you get snagged in 15 to 20 ft. you know your in the ball park.This is very sloooow fishing.I also troll with bandit 200s.I rarely catch short fish with these techniques but i do not catch great numbers either. Hope it helps.

Thank you very much for the tip! I certainly have not done this yet, but I was considering that deeper may be the ticket. I have been fishing 8-12ft mostly. If you don't mind... when your stopped fishing vertically do you find minnows or jigs more productive? And when fishing like this do you drop anchor to hold on the spot or try and hold it with the trolling motor? Thanks!

[tsuggs]

never anchored,workin that foot pedal, use tube jigs 95% of time

[tkwalker]

Now you tournament fisherpeople. Tell me the survival rate of the gene pool bass that are kept in the livewells, then weighed, then photographed and held while breaking their lower jaw swinging them around. Then released. Enough of this rambling but it was fun, I am going fishing, see ya[/QUOTE]

Jaycee, Good point, and I am not protecting bad behavior in the past ... ... But (this statement is not qualified ...tournament fisherpeople ?)

I'll gaurantee the mishandling of tourney fish has been corrected in the past 15 years by organizied groups ... Now as far as your local club sponsord from the local bars ... Who knows ??? ... But let's face it ... Until the mid 70's to mid 80's no one released anything ... look back at the old pic's of yesterday years ... Westmoreland on the Dale for example ... Maybe it is my age ... But conservation of the Game fish in this state is controlled very well ...

Not withstanding the Rednecks in Smith and Dekalb County that bank fish the Caney Fork And throw Eatable Stripers on the bank when fishing for Bass and Trout because they think they are trash fish (which I have witnessed first hand !!) .... ...

Bottom line is ... Regardless of Catch and release verses Legally Keeping ... Livewell etiquette ... Things have improved ... But I know where you are coming from ...

I relate this the same way we relate to our modern time of our drug problem ... I HAD A DRUG PROBLEM WHEN I WAS GROWING UP ... I WAS DRUG TO CHURCH AND DRUG TO THE WOODSHED WHEN I DIDN'T SAY YES MAM OR YES SIR OR WAS NOT RESPECTFUL and did not follow the law ... .... With our new influx of fishermen, legal or not (even legal asians disregard the laws, check the judicial dockets) and our politics ... The Tourneys are the most controlled fishing out there for the masses of fish caught at anytime ... ...

Jaycee, I appreciate your posts and opinions over the years (Since you joined April, 24th, 2004) ... Keep them coming ... Now there is an old saying with us old delta blues guys, with the tube amps , American Strat and Les Pauls, Unless you have lived it you can't play it ... this also goes with Tourney, commercial fishing and guiding ... I have done all the above ... <'TK><

[robhal11]

TK, yeah man, tube amps and Les Pauls(or a 335), maybe not so much Strat's(just kidding). A musician and a fisherman too.