Guides .. <'TK><
 

It's going to really jam up the Caney on normal nice days much less the ones in summer for wading, canoer's and boating people in that top 5 miles to Happy.

If I oil up an 8' rod with some hot sauce reel oil can I tie to the bouy's and throw a super spook 800'? lol

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[QUOTE=browntrout;27454]THey also posted this link:
http://www.lrn.usace.army.mil/pao/ne..._near_dams.htm

If you look at the picture close you might recognize that person. I wont say who it is I will let him identify himself if he wishes.

Just saw that pic. Looks a lot like me. Those days may soon be over. I am deeply depressed.http://fishingtn.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

As some say no news is good news. If there was a teleconference today no one knows when..what time...or where it took place or even if..it took place. All that has come out today so far is the release earlier that said what they had already said before. Now the next "deadline" is set for mid January. Could this be because we are getting the attention of some people who can stop this. I don't know but I just find it odd that it keeps getting pushed down the road. If the Corp thinks we will not be interested in this in the dead of Winter...they sure don't know sportsman.


Regards

[QUOTE=old sailor;27478]Fish it while you can...and catch one for me.

Regards

[QUOTE=old sailor;27478]
Old sailor you can jump in the boat with me because I will still go into that area. Let me know when you want to go. I will provide the ham sandwiches.

Roy

When I was a Charter Captain on the Great Lakes we had a similiar situation about 20 years ago...................the Coast Guard decided to create a "restricted zone" in an area used by their vessels to dock. The area (north of Port Huron, Lake Huron) was also a very popular walleye fishing area, and while the fishermen were never a problem for the Coast Guard, they just decided they needed this area to themselves.

Our DNR sided with the fishermen, as have the TWRA in this case.........and here was their suggestion.

If the burden of enforcement is left to the Coast Guard ( the Corps in this case) , any citation/ticket , etc., will have to be enforced in a local court, if the TWRA will not prosecute, the citation / ticket is more or less worthless.

In reading the Corps statement regarding " Compliance with poicy in other areas " , I'm wondering if this is just a "CYA" on their part to head off any potential responsibility claim in case of a tragedy.

I really don't know if the Corps has a " restricted area police department".

Gary

[QUOTE=browntrout;27481]I like ham thanks, they are not getting rid of me easily. I was fishing that sluice gate water in sept and a white hat bull horned me from the upper ramp. When I went over he said they did not want anyone going past the blue life vests required signs when sluice was open. I said okay (sorry), he said no need to be you were doing fine. He was very nice and I felt that was resonable and was about as far as I could go and fish effectively. Looks like the blue signs may be cutoff point for center hill. I have seen folks in small boats go in that rough water with no life jackets on, not smart! Warm regards

Forgot to add,regarding the area that the Coast Guard had restricted 20 years ago, everyone just kept fishing the area as usual, and there was never any action taken by the Coast Guard.

Welcome to the Nanny States of America......



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I dont know how many of you saw the channel 5 special on this but it seems as if the Corps is 1 step ahead of us. Instead on anyone enforcing this law they will string buoys across the river to keep people out. I guess will will have to come up with another idea. I just hate to think that the pond will be totally off limits even when the are not generating. Sad day!!!!!

Just watched that news report on the News 5 website. Two million dollars to string buoys across the tail waters. Those would not keep out a kayaker but would keep out a boat...that is if what they put up is like what was shown in the video. Sad day indeed. They are going to hold public meetings..not to let us have input...but to tell us what the changes are. No need to have a meeting for that. Why have a meeting to inform us to what we already know. Very depressing day.


Regards

Center Hill Lake , bd need input <'TK><
 

Bouys will start becoming missing within 2 years, especially after high water cause they will flush downstream.

I don't think they have a clue <'TK><
 

we need a middle finger icon for the corp
 

No b.s. i really think we should spread the word across the internet, to our friends, and flood Facebook, and contact the media and get organized and have a massive on the water below a middle tennessee dam in your boat protest. The only downside would be if we had several hundred boats on the water and someone got injured proving their point. They could also pull something sheisty and have an unannounced massive release and say see we told y'all it was dangerous. I would love to do this and make some shirts that say "F" the CORP or put the corp logo on tshirt with a no smoking sign around it. We should also support Flipper in his fight with them over the corp screwing him in a boundary dispute. If we showed up in force like say below old hickory dam we would shutdown commercial traffic due to the sheer number of boats. That could be a tactic huh? Have a demonstration once or twice a week or month and shutdown commercial navigation? To do that we might have to do it on the lake side in the channel and only put in at ramps with no locking gates cause if we did that at the dam they could just lock us out with the gates.

Sounds goos except !! <'TK><
 

I agree with that statement TK, he gets what he deserves.

Several years ago, I was going to go fishing and put in there to fish above 109. They had some tourney that was going to go off that day. I asked inside about what all was going on and they asked me to used to ramp across the bridge so it wouldn't bottle neck everything. That way everybody can get in the water in time. Haven't been back or done businesss there since.

The only problem I see with protesting like that is:

You seen on the map of the boundry's it listed the Dam, the new off limits mark and the tailwater property line. Since they have absolute control you don't want to piss them off to the point of saying, "okay have your public water by the way it starts here now".

In some places that would be a lot of water lost.

I agree f the corp is inappropriate and everyone thinks us southerners are rednecks anyway and that would hinder the cause. Everytime i see a Southerner on national tv they always seem to be a poor ambassador for the south.

I've never had anything but good dealings with flipper. The only time i ever go there is in the winter and there's only a few boats in the parking lot. I've never been on tournament days though. He's never been nothing but nice to me and the people i fish with. I've always thought it was comical that he calls me and everyone else "HON" like honey.

A Shame
 

This entire action is a darn shame. The reasoning, the posturing, the allure of public safety and "physical security" is absolutely absurd. It makes me wish that those that are evevated to positions of power and influence would take a few moments to reflect on the fact that we (the little people) below are holding up the entire structure on which they stand. Liberty, freedom, common sense are the foundations of democracy- not arbitration and myopicity and vanity.

Makes me physically ill.

No, I don't think so. The tailwaters are federal property under the jurisdiction of the Corps of Engineers - state political figures like the Governor don't have much authority to tell the feds and the U.S. Army what to do on their land.

Unfortunately, the only possible way to impede this new policy from being implemented will be to put pressure on the Corps to change their minds. It's a long shot but we need to try.

bd

Let's Get it Done !!! <'TK><
 

Sadly, Lamar Alexander has let everyone down on this matter. In governmental matters, look no further than the money, and who controls it. Lamar's meetings with the corps, his requests from the corps, and his responses to you guys was nothing more than political posturing. In a back room conferrence, all he had to do, was refuse funding for this issue and it would be dead in the water.

I am a die-hard conservative, and it pains me to suggest this, but remember Lamar Alexander on election day. His dog & pony show is fairly transparent to most.

SO True !! <'TK><
 

Kentucky is having this same issue. A Game Warden buddy of mine sent me
this link http://surfky.com/index.php/communit...ocal-economies

Don't know about the rest of you but I make several trips a year to Ky Dam, one of the best fisheries ever. But it does seem a local judge does have some pull against the corp if enough of us folks let them know that we the people do not want this.

The article has a link for a petition, I've printed it out and will fill it and send it. I urge all of you to do the same, whether you fish Ky Dam or not. If one judge can stop the corp, that means other judges could follow suit.

I don't mean to rain on your parade, but the Corps has already stated that your signature on a petition means absolutely nothing. It is already determined that this is not a security issue. It is further determined that this is not a trespass issue as they will continue to maintain areas for parking and bank fishing.

Waterways are a natural resource belonging to the taxpayers. Unless this is a harvest management issue similar to sanctuaries for migrating waterfowl, I'm not too certain they have the authority that they are assuming. This matter is similar to fishing around a private boat dock: as long as you stay in the boat, the landowner can't run you off. In a similar manner, as long as you don't tie off to their dam, I am not convinced they have the authority to run you off.

One thing is for certain, making this rule and placing it into effect are two separate issues. Before the dust settles, I foresee this matter tied up in Federal Court for years before it is implemented. The legal staff for COE has already rubber stamped the matter, but somewhere, somebody will think the way I do and file an injunction followed by a lengthy lawsuit to prevent this.

Rather than sign useless petitions, stage meaningless demonstrations, or waste time and ink writing Congressmen, we should be thinking along the lines of a class-action lawsuit. There will not be any monetary gain for anyone, and whoever the attorney who initiates the suit will be paid by the COE, should they be successful. In any event, I foresee this being tied up in court for a long while. The wheels of justice turn slowly. In this instance, it will work in our favor.

Edited to add: This is not a judge per se. A county judge is a mayoral position rather than a judiciary position. Kentucky has remained in the 20th century and not updated the office title to County Executive or County Mayor yet.

You mean "federal" as in - We the taxpayers??

Google "Riparian Right" and get back with me.

Here are the Maps for the restrictions
 

Maps
http://www.lrn.usace.army.mil/pao/ne...boundaries.htm

More details to the restrictions. It's not just boats.

http://www.lrn.usace.army.mil/pao/pd...rps%20Dams.pdf

Channel 5 Report

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/20...corps-decision