Kayak Questions - What to Buy???

[mfbab]

Hi, I'm new to the forum but I've lurked here occasionally and there seem to be some very knowledgable Kayak fishermen here, so....
I'm in the market for a Yak but I don't know much about them, I was hoping some of you guys could help me get started off right!
I searched Google and even this forum, but haven't found much help for most of the questions I have, hopefully this thread will turn into something that might help others as well as myself.
Thx,
Rob

My Kayak Questions:
- I'm looking for a SOT Kayak for fishing Ponds and maybe some moderate river fishing, nothing beyond class II, but there will be rocks in the streams (Smallie/Trout water).
- I'd like to be able to stand up in it.
- I’m a complete novice, so please assume I know nothing whatsoever about this! I’ve fished my whole life and owned many boats from pond prowlers to bass boats and even one canoe, but I’ve never tried a Kayak yet.

Price:
- I see a range of around $3-400 entry level at Dicks or Walmart (Sun Dolphin, Pescador), and then up to over $1500 on the high end (Hobies, Jacksons, etc..) for the various SOT Kayaks.
- Can someone please explain the differences and whether they are performance related or more along the lines of rigging, etc?
- With a $1000 spread in the pricing, I’m thinking there must be some big differences I’m not aware of!

Weight:
- Are the more expensive models heavier duty, or fiberglass construction? Or are they all roto-molded plastic?
- I would probably be using a roof rack part of the time, and sometimes a pickup truck.
- Is a trailer the best option, and if so any recommendations?

Length:
- I’ve read that I need around a 12’ Because the shorter ones won’t track as well, ie: sway during paddling or in windy conditions.
Is this good advice?

Stability:
- Is it easier to stand up in one type or another?
- Does length factor into that or is it more width, or both?

Comfort:
- I’m assuming the SOT is the way to go for fishing. I’ve seen some info online that indicates you should put part of your initial investment into a good seat.
- What are some good seats to look into? Homemade options?
- I saw a Youtube where someone took a low profile beach chair and put it on a SOT Kayak, basically copying one of the retail models, maybe a Jackson seat? Anyone tried something similar?

I guess my biggest question is this:
- Can I buy one of the cheaper models and modify it / rig it out myself (rod holders, sonar mounts, straps, etc…) and wind up with something comparable to the higher end ones, or is there a lot more to it than that?

Thanks in advance for any help.
Sorry to ask so many questions, I just want to get set up right the first time. Unfortunately I don’t know anyone to ask personally so I thought this would be the way to go.
Also, not a lot comes up on Google searches for these kinds of comparisons. Any useful links I may have missed would be appreciated too!

Thx,
Rob

[yak10asee]

I fish out of a Wilderness Systems Ride 135. It is an awesome yak. I like it bc I can stand with no problem. Most of the good yaks out there are roto molded. You could probably use a Ride 115 and be just fine. I recommend getting fixed up with Chad Hoover over at Hook 1 in Hendersonville. They have some demos you could paddle around and get a feel for them. If you are on Facebook, there is a group called TN Kayak Anglers https://www.facebook.com/groups/566343970063604/
They are all helpful with info on what is out there and some even have a few extra they would probably let you use.
There are countless videos on youtube to learn about rigging. I also use Texas kayak fishing forum as they have a lot of ideas and posts. There is nothing wrong with getting a cheaper yak and fixing it up to your likings. I didnt paddle too many after the 135 so I cant help you with the Ascend, Sun Dolphin, etc. Get out and paddle some demos and I know you will find what you like. There are always used yaks coming up for sale on Craigslist or facebook pages. I can tell you this. My yak is 13.5 feet long. It fits in the back of my Toyota Tundra. I bought a bed extender from Harbor Freight and that helps with support. It is not a light kayak. It weighs around 80-85 pounds. It can be cumbersome at times but I have a cart that I use. Hope this gives you an idea.Good luck in your search.

[Mr.Duk]

X 2 on Chad's group at Hook1. I also use a Ride 135, great float.

[FOXZILLA]

I've owned several different types of kayaks and the sot is the only way to go. I had a WS Ride 115 and now have a Jackson Cuda 14. Both are incredibly stable and very easy to stand in. As said in the previous post, go paddle them. Hook 1 is good and definitely go see Joel at Big Rock Market on the Caney.

[Alphahawk]

There are a lot of kayak fisherman on the forum....many of them some of the best in the country. I know you live in the Memphis area so HOOK1 would be a ways to travel for you. I used to live in West TN and if there is a kayak shop close to there I am not aware of it....and I am talking about a kayak shop...not just a place that sells kayaks. A visit to HOOK1 would be worth your while as you could demo many makes and models of kayaks and find what is right for you. Plus at HOOK1 they can answer any and all questions you have about kayaks....kayak fishing....kayak rigging. I am in the process of purchasing my 4th kayak this week up at HOOK1......it is about a 100 mile drive for me to get there but it is the place I go for all my kayak needs....they have the answers and will not put you in a kayak that they know is not right for you just to make a sell. There is no need for me to tell you about any of the past boats I have owned as they just may not be suited for you. The best info I can give staying as objective as I can is this.....comfort....comfort.....comfort......and you do get what you pay for. If you are not comfortable in it you won't use it. Buying the right kayak for your individual needs is extremely important and if the wrong decision is made buyers remorse will set in real quick. There is no single perfect kayak. I am sure some others will chime in here as well.


Regards

[Dakota]

You hit the correct forum because these yak users definitely know what's going on in that industry. Alpha is correct hook1 would be worth your trip. Call ahead maybe talk to them on the phone before you make the trip. Maybe they can set some time aside just for you.


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[mfbab]

Thx guys, I appreciate the input.

I've been looking up a lot of the various models to figure out some of the differences, it seems like you can find good reviews on a wide range of different kayaks, all across the price spectrum.
I'm guessing if I took a stock under $600 kayak out and then took a stock over $1000 one out right after that, I'd probabluy notice big differences in comfort and performance, and probably find a lot more built in options on the more expensive one.

I may make the trip to hook1 or at the least hit some local stores. We've got Sportsmans Warehouse, Bass Pro and Dick's here, and 1 or 2 smaller places that may be a little closer to hook1 in terms of service as well.

The comfort element will be pretty important to me (I'm used to big boats :) ), and I think Alpha is probably right about not wanting to use it if it's uncomfortable.

Again, thanks for the comments and any beginner advice you have, I'd appreciate it.
I've been looking at the various battery options for electronics, various anchor ideas, all of the things you guys probably went through when you started :)
I'll let y'all know what I end up with, it won't happen tomorrow but I'll probably settle on something within the next couple of months.

Basically, I'm looking for:
- SOT
- 11' -13' range
- Good quality seat
- Reasonable weight
- Good Stability
Does that sound about right?? Any other must haves?
I'm pretty comfortable rigging everything out, my boats all have their share of screw holes, I just want to make sure I get a good platform and go from there.

[shogun]

I guess my biggest question is this:
- Can I buy one of the cheaper models and modify it / rig it out myself (rod holders, sonar mounts, straps, etc…) and wind up with something comparable to the higher end ones, or is there a lot more to it than that?


Thx,
Rob


To me, this (modification) is almost as much fun as fishing from a kayak. You're gonna get more comfort, convenience, and more options with a higher priced kayak.

With me it came down to price. Like everything else, kayak fishing may not be for everyone. I didn't know if I'd like it...so I went relatively cheap for my first kayak last spring. If I didn't like it I would not be out that much $. That being said...I love it, but far from ready to upgrade. I have the perception 12 from academy ($450), and am pleased.

Anyway, my $.02

[mfbab]

I am in the process of purchasing my 4th kayak this week up at HOOK1......it is about a 100 mile drive for me to get there but it is the place I go for all my kayak needs....they have the answers and will not put you in a kayak that they know is not right for you just to make a sell. There is no need for me to tell you about any of the past boats I have owned as they just may not be suited for you. The best info I can give staying as objective as I can is this.....comfort....comfort.....comfort......and you do get what you pay for. If you are not comfortable in it you won't use it. Buying the right kayak for your individual needs is extremely important and if the wrong decision is made buyers remorse will set in real quick. There is no single perfect kayak. I am sure some others will chime in here as well.
Regards

Alpha,
May I ask what model you're looking at right now?
I've been scouring reviews online and the WS Ride 115 and 135 are looking like either one would suit my needs pretty well.
Based on the reviews, the stability sounds amazing in these, although they seem to be a little on the heavy end as well.
I don't think the weight will bother me too much, but I like the idea of max stability assuming they handle reasonably well.
The reviews I'm reading say they aren't the fastest but track well and are almost impossible to tip.
I want to be able to stand up in it and maybe hop out for a swim once in a while as well, which the reviewers say is OK, particularly with the 135.

Also, I will be mounting a Lowrance SI unit on mine, any advice on the transducer location?
Are you using the hull or some sort of arm for yours?

Thx,
Rob


Also Shogun, I'm with you 100%, I love messing with boats almost as much as fishing :)

[Alphahawk]

Alpha,
May I ask what model you're looking at right now?
I've been scouring reviews online and the WS Ride 115 and 135 are looking like either one would suit my needs pretty well.
Based on the reviews, the stability sounds amazing in these, although they seem to be a little on the heavy end as well.
I don't think the weight will bother me too much, but I like the idea of max stability assuming they handle reasonably well.
The reviews I'm reading say they aren't the fastest but track well and are almost impossible to tip.
I want to be able to stand up in it and maybe hop out for a swim once in a while as well, which the reviewers say is OK, particularly with the 135.

Also, I will be mounting a Lowrance SI unit on mine, any advice on the transducer location?
Are you using the hull or some sort of arm for yours?

Thx,
Rob


Also Shogun, I'm with you 100%, I love messing with boats almost as much as fishing :)


I'm getting a Native Slayer Propel 10. I have owned a Ride 115 with the elevated seat......the new seat they have in it now is like sitting in your chair at home......and really enjoyed it. I am a big guy.....296 pounds. One could fall out of the Ride 115 but I would have to do something really stupid on flat water to flip one......I really liked the way the Ride 115 glided through the water. I have stood in the 3 kayaks I have owned just to say I did it....but standing in any kayak is not for old, fat men.....IMHO. Many of the younger guys on here stand and fish with no problems at all...it is just not for me. Those 3 are the Ride 115....Coosa....Big Game Prowler II. The BG II is extremely stable and I always kept the seat in the elevated position. But it is a beast to load and unload. The reason I am going with the Native Slayer Propel 10 is boat control, and the fact the kayak without the drive unit in only weighs 59 pounds. That is a game changer for me. I will still have my Coosa for river fishing. I have a HB 899 si unit mounted with a Liberator transducer arm and it works out great mounting it on the slide track systems that most kayaks have and if they don't you can install it. On the BG II the transducer was mounted at my hip but on the Slayer I will have it in front of me so I can vertical jig. These SOT kayaks are very stable. Many fish all through the winter in them.


Regards

[tennesseekeith]

I have a 115x and I love it. I take it everywhere from big lakes to creeks. I'm a big guy too. 5'9" and about 240#. I carry 8 rods and 5 Plano boxes. I also have a Old town vapor 10 sit in. I fished it for a year than upgraded.
But I would say go paddle as many different kayak you can.
So theirs a lot of good yak out there. Don't yet anyone tell you that there yak is the best. It the best for them. Maybe not for you.

Pros
for the 115x. It 11.5' long. Weight limit is 500#. The removable console that has the transducer mount. So no extra mount needed. Can stand to fish.

Cons
But the console won't fit a side scan transducer.
It not as fast as the ride 135 but it not the slowest.

Ok other opinions
The ride have the new seat
And any kayak you get. Get a rudder it will be the best extra money you spend
on your kayak.

Good luck on your first kayak.

[Reel Tune]

Wow guys a lot of great answers.

I'll throw my .02 in, and it's a repeat of most everyone else's.

Comfort, comfort, comfort. Try before you buy. Try as many as you can before buying.

I've been kayak fishing since 2009, and I've had 7 different kayaks.

Our first kayaks were Hobie Pro Anglers 14', these in my opinion are the Cadillac of fishing kayaks. We got rid of them after a year and a half due to weight. 3 years later "now" I'm saving up to buy another.

Every kayak I've had has been a Sit on Top and catered to the angler, because that's what I do. I've had kayaks from 11' to 16' and 24" wide to 38" wide.

Narrower and longer will be faster due to less resistance and more waterline. The wider and longer the more stable.

Typically a 13' boat that is 34" wide will be more stable than a kayak that is 10' long and 34" wide.

The shape of the hull has a lot to do with stability also. A pontoon style hull will typically be more stable than a non-pontoon style hull. Boats that have the pontoon style hull are Wilderness System Ride's, and Wilderness Systems Commanders, along with many others.

Comfort is a main concern. If you are not comfortable you will not enjoy it so get a kayak that is big enough for you and your gear, with a good seat. I try to get a kayak that will support me and at least another 200lbs, so the kayaks I gravitate to have at least a 400-450lb or more capacity. If you are pushing the maximum weight limits on your kayak it will be less stable. Modifying and making home brew seats is neat, but by putting something on a kayak that is not designed for it may throw off your balance and negatively effect your performance.

There are many great kayaks out there. The kayak I'm currently in is a Wilderness Systems Ride 135. It is like the SUV of kayaks for me. It doesn't do anything great, but does everything well. I've ran class 3's, paddled 8 miles into the Gulf, paddles up some small creeks, I can stand and flip, and it's big enough for me and my gear.

Like was said earlier stop by a kayak shop geared toward fishing and try a few out. Ask questions.

I like using an actual kayak dealer geared toward fishing because they know what my needs are, they have paddled almost every boat out there, if I have a problem a year or two down the road they will take care of me, if I buy a boat they help me out with a discount on accessories like rod holders, pfd's, paddles, and many other items.

[tsuggs]

Here's my graph setup,got the ideA off native watercraft owners forum.The natives have groove trac systems for mounting,I havent drilled a hole yet.Mine is a sit in but extremely comfortable.Scotty and Ram mounts are the bomb.

[mfbab]

Again, thanks for all of the great input!! It's great to see some comparisons b/w the different models, especially from you guy's whove owned a few different kinds! This is exactly what I was hoping for, really appreciated!!

I found a pretty good website for reviews and general info: http://www.paddling.net/
They have at least some info on just about every Kayak model on the market, along with a lot of other info I haven't even gotten into yet, hopefully this will be usefuil for other first time buyers.

Right now it looks like either the ride 115 or 135 are the front runner's, but there are a couple of other models that look good as well, Jackson Big Rig, Prowler BG II, etc.
I'll end up with at least 2 of these within the next year or so anyway because I'm pretty sure my wife will want to get involved at some point too, so I'll get sort of a do-over on the purchase and re-evaluate priorities on the 2nd one after logging some hours on the water.
I'm about 5'9 / 200 but I like to bring a lot of gear along too, so the wide/higher capacity/higher stability boats are looking good to me.
I'm also a year round fisherman, so tipping the boat is not an option for me if I can help it :)
I haven't seen anything in the lower end of the price range that seems to meet the requirement of 11-13' length and somewhere in the mid 30's in width, and really after researching a little more I'm starting to see some differences in the higher end models that appear to be worth paying for anyway.

I'll try to get over to hook1 sometime after Thanksgiving and look at some in person before making a decision. It will be a huge help to see them and be able to ask questions in real time.

MidTN, those Hobies look awesome, I checked them out at the link above, and they do look like the Caddy of Kayaks :) The weight looks pretty substantial, and the price does too, but I'm glad to hear that they fish as good as they look from someone who's owned one!!

tenn keith - The rudder sounds like solid advice, definitely something I'll look at when I get to hook1!

Thanks Alpha, I just looked at that Native Slayer 10. That is an AWESOME looking rig!! It's out of my reach right now, but maybe if I fall in love w kayak fishing I'll grow into it. Is that propulsion systen OK in rivers or is that intended to be a flat water boat? Just curious, that looks like a great option for sure, As does the Hobie Mirage drive.

tsuggs - Thx for the pics, I can't wait to get something and start rigging it up! Especially the electronics.

Are y'all using full sized batteries or the smaller types like this?
http://reviews.cabelas.com/8815/018049/cabelas-rechargeable-12-volt-battery-reviews/reviews.htm?page=5&sort=rating

Thx,
Rob

[browntrout]

Rob,
I will throw 1 more into the mix. I am a big fan of the Native kayaks. I own a slayer propel 13 and really like it. If you dont want the pedal option they make a plain slayer which has very good reviews. HOOK1 carries them also. I would most definitely make the trip to HOOK1. As was mentioned if you called them and told them you were coming they would set aside time for you. They are the best around!!!!!

Roy

[bfish]

paddle fishing kayaks--- some generalizations but....lower priced ones are cranked out fast leading to less uniform plastic thickness and faster cooling times (kayaks shrink after leaving the mold, if not careful different areas can shrink at different rates. Take measurements of the same model, they will vary on all brands;) obviously some have greater variation). Lower end models tend to be thinner (nice when you carry it but not so much when you drag rocks).

The ability to stand up in kayak jumps you up to the upper priced models (designed consideration for wide flat area to stand but not too much width to slow the boat down). For me, I won't be with out an elevated seat even if I don't regularly stand in my kayaks (first 15 years I kayaked fish no kayaks had been designed yet to stand in:D), although it is must have feature if you plan on flippin/pitchin jigs.

You mentioned river fishing....hull design is different for riverboats. Nice smooth transitions (ie rounded bottom) with minimal keel/rudder is what you want for current. Along with some rocker (banana shape bend from bow to stern). Rocker for quick turns in current and rounded edges for current to slip by (extra long keels catch too much current). Lower priced models tend to have excessively long keels for both stability and to make it easy to paddle straight, but the "super" keel also makes it difficult to turn. IMO it is much easier to learn good paddle strokes than depend on hull design.

As others have mention, demo as many as you can stand. The difference I talk about above, become more obvious the more you paddle. IMO their are only two major players in the kayak fishing (paddle) market, WS and Jackson. Jackson are made here in TN. There are several others that make quality fishing kayaks but more of niche fillers such as Feel Free, NuCanoe, Native and others.

Lastly be sure to leave some money in the budget to get a quality personal floatation device (pfd) that you will wear every time on the water and a quality to paddle (need to figure out if your a high-angle or low-angle paddler first).

Summary, yes there are differences between low end and high end models. You are the only one that can determine if the extra cost is worth it, but that is nearly impossible to do until you spend some time in the yaks. Good luck with your decision. More than likely, you won't be buying your last kayak, so don't fret the decision too much, as it is more important to just get out there and start enjoying it soon rather than later.

PS pedal kayaks Hobie and Native are the only game around.

[Reel Tune]

For electronics, I'm running a Lowrance Elite 7 Chirp. I really like it and I power it with a Werker 20aH battery. It gets me a couple days on the water 2-3. I'll be running more lights next season. Blue to draw in baitfish and black for fluorescent line, and amber for in the cockpit lighting. I will use a separate 35aH battery for lighting.

[mfbab]

So, as far as a boat that will be reasonably good for both pond and river fishing, are the Ride 115/135 going to do well for me?

I understand that there isn't 1 perfect boat for everything, just like big boats....But, when I say river fishing, I'm talking fairly moderate stuff, nothing too technical. Maybe class II at best.
I'll probably be spending more time on still water just because that's what we have the most of close to Memphis, and then hitting the Ozark Streams or Middle Tennessee streams when I can, maybe Pickwick or Wilson Tailrace occasionally, that sort of thing.

It sounds like Jeremy is saying that the 135 is a pretty good All Purpose boat but maybe not the best at any one thing.

I understand that the Coosa is marketed as a river boat, but the reviews say that it isn't all that stable either, and maybe harder to keep straight in the wind? That sounds too limiting to me, am I thinking right?

I guess I'm looking for a good compromise, but probably erring on the still water performance side of the equation.

Also, can anyone advise me on whether a 135 is overkill for me vs. a 115? Again, I'm about 5'9/200 so well within the capacity of either boat, just trying to ascertain whether there are maneuverability benefits with the smaller one vs. maybe better tracking with the longer version.
I'm going to get over to hook1 after the holiday anyway, hopefully I'll get to try at least one of those out and talk to those guys about it as well.

You guys are a wealth of info!

[NismoFish]

I have a Coosa. I've had it for 3 weeks. I'm glad it is a loaner (extended borrow) because I do not like it. It doesn't track well at all, the seat is uncomfortable, and you can almost forget about standing up in it. There is also a lack of storage options, given the small aft deck. I barely have room for a milk crate.

The scuppers in the hull are large and low profile, and I feel like more water comes on board than goes out the holes.





If I were going to buy a kayak right now, it would be a Ride 115 with the AirPro seat. I had narrowed it down to the Lure 11.5 and the Ride 115, but after picking up a Lure at HOOK1, I found that it is way too heavy for me.

[mfbab]

I have a Coosa. I've had it for 3 weeks. I'm glad it is a loaner (extended borrow) because I do not like it. It doesn't track well at all, the seat is uncomfortable, and you can almost forget about standing up in it. There is also a lack of storage options, given the small aft deck. I barely have room for a milk crate.

The scuppers in the hull are large and low profile, and I feel like more water comes on board than goes out the holes.





If I were going to buy a kayak right now, it would be a Ride 115 with the AirPro seat. I had narrowed it down to the Lure 11.5 and the Ride 115, but after picking up a Lure at HOOK1, I found that it is way too heavy for me.

Thanks Nismo, that mirrors some of what I've read in online reviews regarding the Coosa.
There are some things that sound really good about it as well, but I don't think it's made for what I want to do.
I'm glad you were able to get it as a loaner only :)

[Alphahawk]

I have owned a Coosa now for almost 4 years. It is one of the best examples of why one needs to know about their needs....wants....and uses for the boat. I spend the vast majority of my fishing time chasing pan fish on flat water. I need to stay on station once I find the fish. Boat control with a Coosa on a lake even in a small breeze is a nightmare.....meaning if you fish mostly flat water stay away from the Coosa. Yet I still have it for river use....and on the river it shines. On the river it makes up for a lot of my short comings handling a kayak in faster water. If I did not periodically fish the Caney Fork River the Coosa would have been sold a long time ago. This, and many other reasons for one who is buying their first kayak for fishing needs to get to a kayak shop..."HOOK1"....to talk all of the issues out and have professionals help you out on purchasing a kayak.



Regards

[jad2t]

I won't say too much because there isn't much I can say that hasn't already been said but I can give you my perspective of the Ride 115 since I own one and fish in it every week. The only con I have is wishing I had the 135 for the extra cargo space behind me. Other than that, it's a fantastic kayak.

I've caught everything from bluegill to rockfish in it and it holds up well. Very stable. In the warmer months I'm standing and fishing 90% of the time. I can paddle standing up, give a hard hookset, and cast all I want with no fear of falling. It's all but impossible to flip but that doesn't mean I can't fall out of it while standing so that's why this time of year I stay seated.

I also recommend going into HOOK1. That's where I bought mine and I never once felt pressured to buy a more expensive model. The staff are all avid kayak anglers so they really know what they're talking about and will get you into a yak that best suits your needs. They will even drop you off at Old Hickory with any kayak you'd like to demo for free. I paddled and fished the Ride 115 around for a couple hours and was sold.

[bfish]

So, as far as a boat that will be reasonably good for both pond and river fishing, are the Ride 115/135 going to do well for me? ... Along with the Native Slayer/ultimate/manta ray (non-stander) and the Feel Free Lure and the NuCanoe frontier and the Jackson Coosa (for river use), soon to be released Coosa HD for both along with often overlooked Cruise (fantastic price point IMO), also the Kilroy does great too. WS also has the commander and tarpons (non-stander).

You really need to get out and try several types of kayaks from several companies.

[bfish]

,,, It doesn't track well at all, the seat is uncomfortable, and you can almost forget about standing up in it. .... As Alphahawk touches on, you don't want a river boat that tracks "well". A good tracking boat on flat water is upside down boat on moving water:D.

As far the Coosa tracking in the lake, an experience paddler (ie someone that uses correct form) it tracks just fine. Now it does get blown around by the wind but that generally is non-issue on a current filled river.

I find it odd that you find the seat uncomfortable, I spend 8-10 hrs on mine with no issue. I am sure the other armchair stadium seats out there that some may find more comfortable but I have yet heard of anyone saying the seat is uncomfortable. To each there own...and another reason to demo.

[mfbab]

I have owned a Coosa now for almost 4 years. It is one of the best examples of why one needs to know about their needs....wants....and uses for the boat. I spend the vast majority of my fishing time chasing pan fish on flat water. I need to stay on station once I find the fish. Boat control with a Coosa on a lake even in a small breeze is a nightmare.....meaning if you fish mostly flat water stay away from the Coosa. Yet I still have it for river use....and on the river it shines. On the river it makes up for a lot of my short comings handling a kayak in faster water. If I did not periodically fish the Caney Fork River the Coosa would have been sold a long time ago. This, and many other reasons for one who is buying their first kayak for fishing needs to get to a kayak shop..."HOOK1"....to talk all of the issues out and have professionals help you out on purchasing a kayak.



Regards

Alpha,
Thanks for the additional input on the Coosa.
As far as your 115, did you like the way it handled on rivers reasonably well?

Again, I'm definitely going to make the trip to Hook1 before I buy anything, it's just good to have an opportunity to speak with guys who've owned these too.

[mfbab]

I won't say too much because there isn't much I can say that hasn't already been said but I can give you my perspective of the Ride 115 since I own one and fish in it every week. The only con I have is wishing I had the 135 for the extra cargo space behind me. Other than that, it's a fantastic kayak.

I've caught everything from bluegill to rockfish in it and it holds up well. Very stable. In the warmer months I'm standing and fishing 90% of the time. I can paddle standing up, give a hard hookset, and cast all I want with no fear of falling. It's all but impossible to flip but that doesn't mean I can't fall out of it while standing so that's why this time of year I stay seated.

I also recommend going into HOOK1. That's where I bought mine and I never once felt pressured to buy a more expensive model. The staff are all avid kayak anglers so they really know what they're talking about and will get you into a yak that best suits your needs. They will even drop you off at Old Hickory with any kayak you'd like to demo for free. I paddled and fished the Ride 115 around for a couple hours and was sold.

Thanks, I can't wait to try one. I'll have to take a day off to get over there but it will be worth it. I checked their website and they've got some closeout sales going right now too, might be dangerous!!
We have several stores in Memphis that sell Kayaks, but there's nothing like hook1 here geared towards fishermen.
I'll learn more in a couple of hours there than I'd probably learn in the first few months on my own :):)
Between the advice given here and a trip over to Hendersonville I should be able to get off to a pretty good start.

[SAMBOLIE]

Most yakkers on this forum should concentrate on a yak that can be used to tow another yak to carry all their equipment.:D:D

[Alphahawk]

Alpha,
Thanks for the additional input on the Coosa.
As far as your 115, did you like the way it handled on rivers reasonably well?

Again, I'm definitely going to make the trip to Hook1 before I buy anything, it's just good to have an opportunity to speak with guys who've owned these too.


The 115 handled the river very well. As another example I wouldn't even put the BG II in the river. But I can guarantee you if you ask someone who is loyal to a brand they will tell you the BG II is a great river boat. I am not loyal to any brand of kayak. I just want what is best for my needs.

Regards


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[Dakota]

For electronics, I'm running a Lowrance Elite 7 Chirp. I really like it and I power it with a Werker 20aH battery. It gets me a couple days on the water 2-3. I'll be running more lights next season. Blue to draw in baitfish and black for fluorescent line, and amber for in the cockpit lighting. I will use a separate 35aH battery for lighting.

Where did you buy your Werker battery? I still have a LMS-522 that I may use in the front of my boat with a separate battery. Ill just use the sonar part so I don't need much battery.

[FOXZILLA]

I buy mine at the Battery store in Providence.

[Alphahawk]

HOOK1 carries Werker batteries. Mine has been bullet proof.



Regards

[mfbab]

The 115 handled the river very well. As another example I wouldn't even put the BG II in the river. But I can guarantee you if you ask someone who is loyal to a brand they will tell you the BG II is a great river boat. I am not loyal to any brand of kayak. I just want what is best for my needs.

Regards


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Here's a Youtube that came up, a Ride 115 on some moderate rapids:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV_LeK0cylY
Go to about the 2:30 mark, looks fun but you can tell it's not steering great either.
I can see where a boat with more of a rocker design would handle that better, but still not too bad.

Thanks for all of your help.

[Transplanted Sportsman]

Since we are on the kayak buying subject does anybody has the name and number for the man in Lebanon where good brand kayaks are sold, for all the good things everybody has said about hook 1 I had a very bad experience at hook 1 that spanned 3 months and involved 3 calls and one 3 hr round trip there and still came out empty handed so im ready to take my bussiness somewhere else, if anyone has this info I would appreciate if they can share it,
mf, try the ride 115 u will like it, i fish and duck hunt out of mine great all around boat

[FOXZILLA]

Since we are on the kayak buying subject does anybody has the name and number for the man in Lebanon where good brand kayaks are sold, for all the good things everybody has said about hook 1 I had a very bad experience at hook 1 that spanned 3 months and involved 3 calls and one 3 hr round trip there and still came out empty handed so im ready to take my bussiness somewhere else, if anyone has this info I would appreciate if they can share it,
mf, try the ride 115 u will like it, i fish and duck hunt out of mine great all around boat

I'm a Lebanon native and don't know of any retail kayak places here. Call Joel at Caney Fork Outdoors 931-858-5222.

[Transplanted Sportsman]

I'm a Lebanon native and don't know of any retail kayak places here. Call Joel at Caney Fork Outdoors 931-858-5222.

Thanks Fox, I dont think is an actual retail place but more of a wharehouse type thing, i will look at old threads, some folks on the forum were getting great deals on good name yaks

[Alphahawk]

Thanks Fox, I dont think is an actual retail place but more of a wharehouse type thing, i will look at old threads, some folks on the forum were getting great deals on good name yaks


I remember that. The guy sells on eBay but is out of Lebanon.

Regards


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[TroutFiend]

This may be the one you are thinking of...6568

[Transplanted Sportsman]

Thanks Mr Randy!,
TF, I was not able to open the link on my phone, will try on the computer later, thanks!

[tkwalker]

Thanks Fox, I dont think is an actual retail place but more of a wharehouse type thing, i will look at old threads, some folks on the forum were getting great deals on good name yaks

There is a warehouse on north 231 that does this type of thing ... The old boot factory ... I have never personally been there but I have seen where they sell on Ebay ... ?? <'TK><

[Reel Tune]

Where did you buy your Werker battery? I still have a LMS-522 that I may use in the front of my boat with a separate battery. Ill just use the sonar part so I don't need much battery.


Batteries Plus on Nolensville Pike

[Reel Tune]

The Coosa was my second kayak. I used the Ride 115 on an 11 day trip to Louisiana, Texas, and back around Tennessee, and have currently been in the Ride 135 since that trip.


I have taken the Ride 135 down 2 class 3's, it was hairy, but doable. Most of the guys in river kayaks took the safe routes and went around, I just shot them. The roughest part was the 3' wall of water that hit me in the chest, nearly knocked the wind out of me, and the entire cockpit filled with water and made the boat every tippy for a few seconds until the water drained out the scupper holes. I feel that the Ride 135 would suit me on overnight trips with gear if needed but a hybrid style like an Ultimate, or Commander would be better suited.

The Ride 115 is a great boat, but lack of tankwell, and speed is an issue for me. I know you're probably thinking why are you concerned with speed in a kayak? Well I like paddling efficient kayaks, where I can cover as much water as possible in a small amount of time. Paddling the Ride 115 more than a mile and a half or two consistently without a break was exhausting. Like said earlier the tankwell is small, but adequate for most. Not me, I fill the tankwell of the Ride 135 up and sometimes feel like I need more room.

The Coosa, the tankwell is small, smaller than the Ride 115 tankwell, it's tippy "the only kayak I have ever fell out of". It's slow, I know it's not meant to be a fast kayak, but I like speed relative to kayak. If you are on any pond or lake and have any sort of wind you are spinning, unless you tie a piece of rope to the rear and let it drag in the water. I think I got that tip from Bfish.

[bfish]

.... If you are on any pond or lake and have any sort of wind you are spinning, unless you tie a piece of rope to the rear and let it drag in the water. I think I got that tip from Bfish. Chain, not rope. ;) A short section of chain hanging under the rear handle (line guides up the side to a dog leash ziptied to the side hangle). The chain out the back will work as a rudder and can double as an anchor when dropped to the lake bed.

Here is a how to and some pics (not mine and more complicated than mine. I just go chain to leash with a zigzag cleat to tie off).
http://jacksonkayak.com/blog/2012/09/07/jackson-coosa-drag-chain-install/

[Reel Tune]

Chain, not rope. ;)


Thanks for the clarification, it was late. That's my excuse

[Travis C.]

I have taken the Ride 135 down 2 class 3's, it was hairy, but doable. Most of the guys in river kayaks took the safe routes and went around, I just shot them. The roughest part was the 3' wall of water that hit me in the chest, nearly knocked the wind out of me, and the entire cockpit filled with water and made the boat every tippy for a few seconds until the water drained out the scupper holes. I feel that the Ride 135 would suit me on overnight trips with gear if needed but a hybrid style like an Ultimate, or Commander would be better suited.

You will get a kick out of this. One of my old overnight trips. Black box full of camp gear, crate full of fishing tackle and front hatch had two batteries plus anchor with a gallon of water.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii40/MrCarney1979/Mobile%20Uploads/76bbf14d-c421-44a7-8ce3-e83b52877347_zps86f66360.jpg

[SAMBOLIE]

You will get a kick out of this. One of my old overnight trips. Black box full of camp gear, crate full of fishing tackle and front hatch had two batteries plus anchor with a gallon of water.

I wouldn't attempt to load that much on a pontoon. :)

[XxthejuicexX]

I wouldn't attempt to load that much on a pontoon. :)

That's what I was thinking, Don't think may canoes for that type of thing :)

[Travis C.]

I wouldn't attempt to load that much on a pontoon. :)

It was a load. There was over 60lbs in the black box easily. On they way back I was tired and lazy so I strapped everything behind the crate on top of the hatch in the front. The back end was raised out of the water so much it felt like I was paddling along in the gondolas of Paris. :)

[Reel Tune]

Holy smokes that's a lot of gear. I know you weigh a lot less than me, but I think you may have exceeded your maximum capacity:)

[SAMBOLIE]

It was a load. There was over 60lbs in the black box easily. On they way back I was tired and lazy so I strapped everything behind the crate on top of the hatch in the front. The back end was raised out of the water so much it felt like I was paddling along in the gondolas of Paris. :)

Maybe you need a two person kayak.

I may buy a two man so Merv and I can fish together. Merv could keep the yak under control while I fish. What a way to bond a friendship.

[Travis C.]

Holy smokes that's a lot of gear. I know you weigh a lot less than me, but I think you may have exceeded your maximum capacity:)

300 lbs capacity. I accounted for 165 of it.

The boat was tippy on paddled strokes but never to a point i thought i was in any danger.

[Reel Tune]

Yeah, with me in that thing I would have been able to take 1 Barbie pole, a pack of soft plastics, and a sleeping bag.

[mfbab]

The Coosa was my second kayak. I used the Ride 115 on an 11 day trip to Louisiana, Texas, and back around Tennessee, and have currently been in the Ride 135 since that trip.


I have taken the Ride 135 down 2 class 3's, it was hairy, but doable. Most of the guys in river kayaks took the safe routes and went around, I just shot them. The roughest part was the 3' wall of water that hit me in the chest, nearly knocked the wind out of me, and the entire cockpit filled with water and made the boat every tippy for a few seconds until the water drained out the scupper holes. I feel that the Ride 135 would suit me on overnight trips with gear if needed but a hybrid style like an Ultimate, or Commander would be better suited.

The Ride 115 is a great boat, but lack of tankwell, and speed is an issue for me. I know you're probably thinking why are you concerned with speed in a kayak? Well I like paddling efficient kayaks, where I can cover as much water as possible in a small amount of time. Paddling the Ride 115 more than a mile and a half or two consistently without a break was exhausting. Like said earlier the tankwell is small, but adequate for most. Not me, I fill the tankwell of the Ride 135 up and sometimes feel like I need more room.

The Coosa, the tankwell is small, smaller than the Ride 115 tankwell, it's tippy "the only kayak I have ever fell out of". It's slow, I know it's not meant to be a fast kayak, but I like speed relative to kayak. If you are on any pond or lake and have any sort of wind you are spinning, unless you tie a piece of rope to the rear and let it drag in the water. I think I got that tip from Bfish.

Thanks MidTN, this was a VERY helpful post for me!!
The more research I do, the more I like the 'barge" style yaks.
The only major drawback, at least for my needs, seems to be size and the probable need for some sort of trailer rather than a rooftop scenario. I think I'll wind up making some sort of double trailer and start out with a big yak, then make the decision on what to get for the second one off of that experience.

I love bfish's chain rudder idea too, we have already exchanged a few pm's and that came up during the conversation. I will try that one before I try a real rudder for sure!
I've put broken outboards on the back of spinny pond boats before just for the rudder effect :):):)

[agelesssone]

Maybe you need a two person kayak.

I may buy a two man so Merv and I can fish together. Merv could keep the yak under control while I fish. What a way to bond a friendship.

But I'd for shure take sammichs with me cause we shure couldn't survive on the fish SAMBOLIE WOULDN'T catch!

[mfbab]

Well, I finally got a couple of Kayaks and just about ready to get them wet.

I found a used Ride 115 and a Hobie Mirage Outback (Hank Parker) for a great price, just got through building a hanging rack on rollers and started the rigging process.
Both came w Paddles, the Hobie came with a roller and a few extra odds and ends.
The pic of the seat in the Ride is to show a repair I made, the guy I bought it from had broken the back in half, I'm not sure how but if it happens to anyone else with that seat, a couple of pieces of 1/2" PVC will fix it :)

I Should be fishing within a few days if things go right :):)

Here's some pics, and thanks for all of the advice!
Thx,
Rob

[Alphahawk]

Congrats!

Regards