Side Image Units

[TNBronzeback]

so i hate to open this debate AGAIN, but lowrance has thier new TI Elite series units out. The 5" unit is right at $500, just like the 5" humminbird.
I havent been able to find much info aboutnthe TI Elite unit, and too be honest, i dont understand too many of the nuts and bolts about the units. I have no interest in linking units, nor do i have a fancy trolling motor to link it with.
Essentially i want a reliable unit that shows a good clear SI picture. I had first hand real time experience when Juice brought his sauger fishing and that was pretty slick! i will be running the unit on the console and a 5" unit will be all that will fit without mounting it outside of the windshield which doesnt really interest me for ease of use.
anybody know/heard anything good or bad about the TI Elite units?
i understand it boils down to me liking what im seeing, but some good company backing with some advanced controls is always a bonus.

[TNtroller]

No 1st hand experience with the new units, but with any SI unit, you want the biggest screen you cannot afford to see the detail in the screen. Just like a tv or computer screen. If you have settled on the 5" screen, then you'll probably have to reduce the scan range down to 40-50' on each side or just the left or right side to get enough detail showing. Split screen mode will be hard as well.

[spottedbass]

You won't be happy with a 5" screen and side scan. Get at least a 7" screen.

I don't have any experience with the TI units but I did have an Elite unit. I liked everything about the Elite unit except how slow the chart populated. I would move faster with my trolling motor than the chart could refresh on the screen. I would suspect the processor in the TI is still not as fast as the processor in the HDS units. I would hope they are faster than the Elite units. Something you might want to check on if you are planning on using the mapping (which I couldn't imagine not using).

I replaced my 7" Elite at my trolling motor with a (used) 7" HDS Gen 2 unit I bought from eBay. I kept my HDI transducer so I could still have down scan on my HDS unit at the trolling motor. I have never had an issue with the chart refresh on the HDS unit.

[TNBronzeback]

im all for the biggest screen i can get no doubt, however my financial advisor (wife) has given me a fairly strict limit. LOL. i may be able to chip away on that number though and bump me up to at least the 7" but im not thrilled with my only mounting location for the bigger screen. if i could get in inside the console behind the glass, i dont think i will have much wiggle room for turning and tilting the unit.
i most certainly want to use the mapping feature and i remember you saying the Elite has a slow processor, so that alone may lean me toward Humminbird, which is fine, i have no preference either way.
seems like the 2 brands are turning over units so fast, by the time you do your research on what you can afford, allocate your funds, by the time you go buy it, its being closed out and something "new" is taking its place. lol.

[XxthejuicexX]

You won't like anything smaller than a 7". I honestly think the 7" is almost to small to run side scan effectively. When I am using mine especially on the kayak I spend a lot of time bent over trying to get as close to the screen as possible. Humminbird did not help them selves when they put the readouts on the side of the screen and when you remove all of them it still blocks off that area from being useful. When Jimmy and I fished Saturday he caught a nice crappie trolling so I turned around and scanned the area and you could see the cloud of crappie hanging right on the ledge of the drop off.

[Alphahawk]

Some good advice here. A seven inch screen is what I would consider the smallest that one should go. I have no problem with a seven inch screen but I want bigger and I am probably going with the new Helix 12. You can remove the readouts on an HB but only in the side imaging mode....see pic. IMHO having an si unit lets one eliminate dead water at just a glance. Many will tell you they are only looking for structure using si but if I scan structure...a dam wall....lock wall....really anywhere and I don't see fish I move on and don't make the first cast. I may own an HB unit but I have no preference for brand. Lowrance does use a dedicated di transducer on their units as to where HB uses a composite signal from the two si. But I have to tell you I have no problems producing a good di image....but any unit with a dedicated di transducer will produce a sharper image. I get all pumped thinking about getting on the water to use the si.

Regards

[TNBronzeback]

yeah ive heard all you guys say to go with the biggest screen you can get, then go one size larger.
im gonna do some price checking as it looks like everybody is having some version of their spring fishing sales so i will see what i can find. i wont be buying anything till the tax-a-clause shows up anyways, but you guys seem to be pretty happy with your HB units so i think that may be where i end up getting mine from.
Mapping/GPS on the HB units.
how fast is it? I dont light the water on fire by now means, but i top out about 32-34...will the mapping keep up or will i smash a bluff before it refreshes? . i know that you shouldnt use that in replace of common sense, but are they fast and accurate if im heading down JPP at night? Do they show marker buoys? i have a spot light but it has its limitations as well. Again, i know nothing is pinpoint but within a reasonable distance i dont think is unrealistic in 2016.

[XxthejuicexX]

From what experience I have with the mapping it's useless without a map chip. Not all lakes are covered on the chip though. Alpha do you run the HD transducer or the stock one that comes with the unit? I am not super impressed with the SI images I am getting with the stock transducer on my bird. I adjust the setting everytime I get on the water to make them read the best I can.

[TNBronzeback]

so i should consider getting the better/faster/HD transducer outside of what comes in the box?

[Alphahawk]

From what experience I have with the mapping it's useless without a map chip. Not all lakes are covered on the chip though. Alpha do you run the HD transducer or the stock one that comes with the unit? I am not super impressed with the SI images I am getting with the stock transducer on my bird. I adjust the setting everytime I get on the water to make them read the best I can.

I don't have a map card either.....but since getting the boat will get one. The internal mapping is pretty much as you say. That is another issue with any of these units...no matter the brand...do they have the "good" maps of the lake you want? I do have the HD transducer but rarely run it in HD mode...meaning I rarely ever use 800kHz. The reason for this is 455kHz will scan out at 180 degrees and the 800 kHz will not....not sure of the degrees but it is less than 180. But the reason for having the HD transducer is you will get a better image using the 455kHz with an HD transducer over the compact transducer due to the size of the piezo chrystals in transducer being larger. Take a look sometime at a Lowrance Structure Scan transducer....much larger compared to a HB HD si transducer....thus the Lowrance will give a slightly better image. I'm happy with my images...I just need a larger...brighter screen...as the Helix 12 is. I do make adjustments most of the time I go out.

Regards

[Alphahawk]

so i should consider getting the better/faster/HD transducer outside of what comes in the box?

I would certainly get it. It will give you better images.


Regards

[TNBronzeback]

I would certainly get it. It will give you better images.


Regards
ok cool! when looking/buying a unit....what exactly should i be looking for?
will it be something additional outside of the contents of the box or find a box that has that transducer?

[XxthejuicexX]

I am thinking about getting the HD traducer for mine for the crisper images. I do see a difference in the Lowrance images compared to the standard Transducer I have, Hoping the HD helps that out. I change my settings every time I fish but do you have a recommendation for sensitivity/Contrast to show fish better? I like 10-11 Sensitivity and usually 13 Contrast, but that does change.

[XxthejuicexX]

ok cool! when looking/buying a unit....what exactly should i be looking for?
will it be something additional outside of the contents of the box or find a box that has that transducer?


I know Lowrance models can be purchased without the transducer but I don't know about H-Bird.

[Alphahawk]

ok cool! when looking/buying a unit....what exactly should i be looking for?
will it be something additional outside of the contents of the box or find a box that has that transducer?

The lower and mid line si units from HB will come with a compact transducer. If you want an HD transducer they have an exchange program and you can swap it out for the compact transducer that came with the unit...make sure you don't even take the transducer that comes with the unit out of the wrapping....it has to be new. Once you mount it they will not exchange....and I think the exchange price is 95 bucks. I would decide which size unit I wanted and then go and do a comparison of different brands when you have it down. You will see a lot of picture quality images.....but just so you know HB...Lowrance....all of them, use their high end units to display those images for marketing. As long as you stay with a 7 inch size screen or bigger I don't think you will go wrong no matter the brand you buy.


Regards

[Alphahawk]

I am thinking about getting the HD traducer for mine for the crisper images. I do see a difference in the Lowrance images compared to the standard Transducer I have, Hoping the HD helps that out. I change my settings every time I fish but do you have a recommendation for sensitivity/Contrast to show fish better? I like 10-11 Sensitivity and usually 13 Contrast, but that does change.

I don't really have any hard set rules on the adjustments.....but I use those same figures as you often. I know if I get them out of whack I reset everything to 10...or default.....and it will get me in the ballpark. There are certain lakes though that my settings will sometimes be way on one end or the other because of the water. Laurel Hill and VFW Lakes are two of them. They fertilize those lakes and all summer they keep a big bloom. I really have to play with contrast and sensitivity on those lakes to get it dialed in. I keep my sharpness setting on in the low setting because I am looking for fish. That sharpness setting will back shadow fish and make them pop out better.

Regards

[XxthejuicexX]

I don't really have any hard set rules on the adjustments.....but I use those same figures as you often. I know if I get them out of whack I reset everything to 10...or default.....and it will get me in the ballpark. There are certain lakes though that my settings will sometimes be way on one end or the other because of the water. Laurel Hill and VFW Lakes are two of them. They fertilize those lakes and all summer they keep a big bloom. I really have to play with contrast and sensitivity on those lakes to get it dialed in. I keep my sharpness setting on in the low setting because I am looking for fish. That sharpness setting will back shadow fish and make them pop out better.

Regards


Thank you, I never adjust the sharpness. I will have to try it next time out.

[skillet]

Deezltek bought an HDS 7 gen2 end of last year, and it's a nice unit. But a 7 inch screen is as small as you want. Trust me, I understand it's hard to flip down big money on a unit to see fish. My ol lady is probably like yours and doesn't understand the significant use that unit will get and how much more efficient my fishing could be.

But with all that being said, Bass Pro Shops does have the 6 months to pay going on right now which can help you in getting the bigger 7" Ti. I've been looking at them and studying them. If you get the $799 total scam 7" that comes with the all in one transducer which is pretty nice.

Doing some quick math, $800+80 for tax comes to right around $150/month for 6 months.


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[TNBronzeback]

Deezltek bought an HDS 7 gen2 end of last year, and it's a nice unit. But a 7 inch screen is as small as you want. Trust me, I understand it's hard to flip down big money on a unit to see fish. My ol lady is probably like yours and doesn't understand the significant use that unit will get and how much more efficient my fishing could be.

But with all that being said, Bass Pro Shops does have the 6 months to pay going on right now which can help you in getting the bigger 7" Ti. I've been looking at them and studying them. If you get the $799 total scam 7" that comes with the all in one transducer which is pretty nice.

Doing some quick math, $800+80 for tax comes to right around $150/month for 6 months.


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I was able to pursuade her into the larger 7" screen so its just a matter of picking which unit now, and i do like that payment deal they have. Its not really the money necessarily, its the one time hit of close to $800 that she isnt thrilled about lol. Justifiably so i guess. cant save it for later if im spending it today! LOL

[XxthejuicexX]

I was able to pursuade her into the larger 7" screen so its just a matter of picking which unit now, and i do like that payment deal they have. Its not really the money necessarily, its the one time hit of close to $800 that she isnt thrilled about lol. Justifiably so i guess. cant save it for later if im spending it today! LOL



I'm going to throw this into the discussion :) Dicks's sporting goods has the HDS 7 gen 2 SS touch model on sale for 999.99

[skillet]

One thing that I like that hummingbird does that lowrance doesn't is you can highlight different depths on your maps. Say you want to stay out of 5' or less you can make it red...and if you're wanting to focus on water 10-25' you make it a different color. That can be a game changer and help eliminate water. But I like the new lowrance Ti concept. I say concept because I haven't put my hands on one yet. But I will soon when I'm in the market for one. You can't go wrong with any of them now a days really.

Just throwing this out there, take a look at Garmin. Their side scans are super nice too.


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[TNBronzeback]

so i was at Bass Pro kicking the tires on a few units they had there and found another unit im really really liking. The Garmin 7SV. No mapping but the down and side image clarity blows HB and Lowrance out of the water. They incorporate the Chirp (or thier version of the technology) in thier Sonar, Down and Side Imaging.
Does anybody here have anything good or bad to say about Garmin. First appearence, in my opinion, Garmin takes the cake on clarity for all 3 views.

[Dakota]

so i was at Bass Pro kicking the tires on a few units they had there and found another unit im really really liking. The Garmin 7SV. No mapping but the down and side image clarity blows HB and Lowrance out of the water. They incorporate the Chirp (or thier version of the technology) in thier Sonar, Down and Side Imaging.

Does anybody here have anything good or bad to say about Garmin. First appearence, in my opinion, Garmin takes the cake on clarity for all 3 views.


I've always had Lowrance and have never fished with anyone who owned a garmin. Sounds like they've come a long way. Wish I could help.


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[Alphahawk]

New unit.....so can't find any reviews. On the face looks like a steal....here would be my concerns. No mapping at all.....only 1Hz GPS. That means the GPS isn't going to update your location very fast at all. But I don't understand it not having any mapping but you can mark waypoints. The waypoints just show up on a white background......mapping cannot be added. If that is OK with you the sonar part looks like a lot of bang for the buck......but I would try and find some reviews before buying. It does appear that they CHIRP the 2d.... si and di....which would be a sight to behold. If that thing had mapping they couldn't keep them on the shelves.


Regards

[TNBronzeback]

New unit.....so can't find any reviews. On the face looks like a steal....here would be my concerns. No mapping at all.....only 1Hz GPS. That means the GPS isn't going to update your location very fast at all. But I don't understand it not having any mapping but you can mark waypoints. The waypoints just show up on a white background......mapping cannot be added. If that is OK with you the sonar part looks like a lot of bang for the buck......but I would try and find some reviews before buying. It does appear that they CHIRP the 2d.... si and di....which would be a sight to behold. If that thing had mapping they couldn't keep them on the shelves.


Regards
they will have the mapping units on the shelves very soon according to BPS. you are correct, no mapping, just the white screen and the ability to drop waypoints, which for the clarity of the DI & SI....i will just keep it updated on my navionics phone app. The unit sells for $499.
its very very tempting.
The guy at BPS said when the mapping units hit the shelves, they will have a $700-$800 sticker price.....so pretty close to the others.

[Alphahawk]

they will have the mapping units on the shelves very soon according to BPS. you are correct, no mapping, just the white screen and the ability to drop waypoints, which for the clarity of the DI & SI....i will just keep it updated on my navionics phone app. The unit sells for $499.

its very very tempting.

The guy at BPS said when the mapping units hit the shelves, they will have a $700-$800 sticker price.....so pretty close to the others.


Well if they are CHIRPing di and si they have my attention. I will have to go up and take a look at their units. I am curious if their 455kHz scans at 180 degree. CHIRPing di and si is game changer.

Regards


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[TNBronzeback]

Well if they are CHIRPing di and si they have my attention. I will have to go up and take a look at their units. I am curious if their 455kHz scans at 180 degree. CHIRPing di and si is game changer.

Regards


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you know more of the nuts and bolts of it, but thats what the guy there told me.
All i can honestly distinguish the units by is what i see with my eye. And my eyes liked! lol

[XxthejuicexX]

They do have some pretty SI/DI images from what I have seen. I need to look into one, I've got the itch for a new unit already :)

[TNBronzeback]

They do have some pretty SI/DI images from what I have seen. I need to look into one, I've got the itch for a new unit already :)

those are the best SI and DI images that ive seen. No HD transducer or extra equipment needed from what i was told. And even though it doesnt have mapping, its still dirt cheap in comparison.

[XxthejuicexX]

those are the best SI and DI images that ive seen. No HD transducer or extra equipment needed from what i was told. And even though it doesnt have mapping, its still dirt cheap in comparison.


Does it have 2D Sonar or is it all Chirp/DI?

[Alphahawk]

Does it have 2D Sonar or is it all Chirp/DI?


There are two models. One is di and 2d. The other is 2d.....si.....di....all modes CHIRPed. There is a new Echo model that is 9 inch and has mapping with all 3 modes CHIRPed. Very little info on these new units but if it is the real deal HB....Lowrance.....and others....could be playing catch up. di and si already give pretty good target separation . But adding CHIRP to di, si, could take us to a new level.

Regards


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[skillet]

The 73sv is the one they had on sale during the spring classic for 499 or 599 and it is all that and mapping. But now it's back up to 899 I believe. I'm like you bronzeback, I'm seriously considering it and just keeping my $10.00 navionics map on my phone up to date and use that. Hell, if you can drop a waypoint down on it, you can get close enough to be in the area no matter how slow the gps updates.

I've been wondering if someone with some computer know how could upgrade the processor in say an elite 5 to make the Gps work better. That's my only gripe with that unit!!


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[skillet]

@Tnbronzeback, just curious if you've made a decision and purchase yet.


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[TNBronzeback]

@Tnbronzeback, just curious if you've made a decision and purchase yet.


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ive not made a purchase yet, but im leaning toward the Garmin Striker 7SV.
im gonna give it a few weeks to try and find some kind of reviews.
im looking for the crisp side images and so far Garmin has my eye. Mapping would be nice, but thats a luxery for my use, so as long as i can drop way points, thats all im looking to get.
Hoping to have it in the next few weeks though.

[skillet]

I'm with you. I'm considering the striker 7sv also. And I'm also thinking about buying the 7dv, and putting my elite5 on my dash to use for mapping and sonar to keep my side scan full screen. Doubt I do that but I like the sound of it.

The picture on the Garmin is by far better than any other unit out there in my opinion and right now I feel it's the best bang for my dollar!!!


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[notorious]

I'm with you. I'm considering the striker 7sv also. And I'm also thinking about buying the 7dv, and putting my elite5 on my dash to use for mapping and sonar to keep my side scan full screen. Doubt I do that but I like the sound of it.

The picture on the Garmin is by far better than any other unit out there in my opinion and right now I feel it's the best bang for my dollar!!!


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So I'm thinking about another unit...any thoughts on the new, fancy

Lowrance Elite-7 Ti

http://www.lowrance.com/en-US/Products/Fishfinder-Chartplotter/elite-7-ti-en-us.aspx

[Alphahawk]

So I'm thinking about another unit...any thoughts on the new, fancy

Lowrance Elite-7 Ti

http://www.lowrance.com/en-US/Products/Fishfinder-Chartplotter/elite-7-ti-en-us.aspx

Thoughts....there has never been a better time to get a new sonar. There are a lot of units out and the selection is mind blowing. One needs to figure out their needs....and research...research...research. I am waiting to see real world reviews of the Striler 7 sv series. The units are hard to get so I think that is why no reviews yet. With Garmin CHIRPing the si and di I am waiting on the reviews to come in on the Garmin echoMAP 93sv. I am not hung up on any brand. I can get any HB I want at cost. One thing I know for sure that bigger is better in screen size for imaging units. I am looking at a Helix....10...12. I want a bigger screen. But as I have said before the CHIRPing of di and si could be a game changer. As far as I know Garmin is the only one CHIRPing the si and di. So until I can get real world reviews on those units I am waiting. But you asked about the Lowrance unit. IMHO it is a great unit.

Regards

[TNBronzeback]

Thoughts....there has never been a better time to get a new sonar. There are a lot of units out and the selection is mind blowing. One needs to figure out their needs....and research...research...research. I am waiting to see real world reviews of the Striler 7 sv series. The units are hard to get so I think that is why no reviews yet. With Garmin CHIRPing the si and di I am waiting on the reviews to come in on the Garmin echoMAP 93sv. I am not hung up on any brand. I can get any HB I want at cost. One thing I know for sure that bigger is better in screen size for imaging units. I am looking at a Helix....10...12. I want a bigger screen. But as I have said before the CHIRPing of di and si could be a game changer. As far as I know Garmin is the only one CHIRPing the si and di. So until I can get real world reviews on those units I am waiting. But you asked about the Lowrance unit. IMHO it is a great unit.

Regards
im right there with you....funds have been aquired, mind is made up pending on reviews of the garmin striker.....should be something coming out review-wise in another few weeks i would imagine.

[MikeyBfromTN]

The only issue with the Garmin striker is you can't loaded it up with Lake View maps. I'd opt for the echoMAP CHIRP 73 sv. I had one on backorder since December. But cancelled it and bought a Lowrance 7ti Totalscan. I just sent it back to Cabelas since the screen wouldn't respond to touch.

Keep in mind the transducer on any new side scan unit is HUGE!

I kayak fish, so wanted something nice, since I don't own a bass boat. Mounting the transducer has been a challenge.




Mike Buesing
Spring Hill, TN

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[XxthejuicexX]

The more I look into these new models the more I think about selling my Humminbird Helix 7 SI. I like the Elite ti

[TNBronzeback]

The only issue with the Garmin striker is you can't loaded it up with Lake View maps. I'd opt for the echoMAP CHIRP 73 sv. I had one on backorder since December. But cancelled it and bought a Lowrance 7ti Totalscan. I just sent it back to Cabelas since the screen wouldn't respond to touch.

Keep in mind the transducer on any new side scan unit is HUGE!

I kayak fish, so wanted something nice, since I don't own a bass boat. Mounting the transducer has been a challenge.




Mike Buesing
Spring Hill, TN

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yeah ive gone back and forth on the mapping capabilities on the echo vs. the striker. The striker still allows you to drop waypoints which is all im really looking to do.
i still do look at physical lake maps on new bodies of water and i keep my Navionics updated on my phone which i use alot. It may be considered the long way to accomplish the end goal, but it works for me and it saves me about $400 by not buying the echo unit.
i can have a hard time explaining to the wife that even though the new boat cost X-thousands of dollars, i still need to spend another $2k for fish finders. Lol. Thats a tough sale in my house! lol

[TNBronzeback]

https://youtu.be/AP4xdhRkRGo

if anybody is interested on a run-down of the Garmin Striker 7SV here is a pretty good you tube video i found.
It seems pretty user friendly. I found 1 review on another site and the only concern the person had was the construction of the connectors. To him, they seemed a little cheap. I dont know exactly what he was refering to, but other than that, he said the unit this far had performed flawless. Take that how ya want to being just 1 review.

[skillet]

The lowrance ti models are as good as an hds in my book. There's very small details that make the hds better, but those details are not something that I need or want. I don't need the capability of the 3D mapping, I don't need the instrumentation. What I do need is to be able to see out 60 feet and find structure faster, easier and catch more fish!!!! As long as I can drop a waypoint and get within 20 feet of that waypoint, I can find it and fish it. I'll use the navionics app on my phone to help keep me out of the shallows as I run down the lake. I use it to scope out lakes anyways, along with google earth just like anyone else.

The only downfall to having different brands on the bow and console is you may not be able to link them and share waypoints between the two.

Like alpha said...research research research!! Can't stress that enough.


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[notorious]

What I worry about with the Lowrance Ti is Planned Obsolescence...I say this with experience on an earlier model that died, X-5 I believe back in 2006. I read reports where people were having the units die shortly after the warranty expired. It's not VooDoo science as it occurs on a regular basis. The Elite Ti model vs the Super HD/3D Gen 3 model has a HUGE price gap...2k almost so I'm a bit gun shy dropping a grand and it going out in a year with much of the same features of the big guy for much less. Sounds like a, "bait you in" on features and then going out and then you up grade to the next high end model. I might just sit and watch this a little more before I drop bucks on a unit.

[Pookie]

http://www.fishingtn.com/showthread.php?t=10438

If you've got the money to run that unit, you've got the money to take Randy's class on it. Using that unit without Randy's class is like buying the Space Shuttle without an owner's manual.



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[AllOutdoors]

I'm late to commenting on this thread. I have the Lowrance Gen 2hds units for a few years now with no complaints. A 7 at the helm and a 5 at the bow.

[joe_fisherman]

Lowrance Elite series models are quiet powerful and offers great features. I used lowrance elite 7 ti (http://fishfinderplanet.com/lowrance-elite-7-ti-review/) and the Sidescan is amazing. but i can't use chirp and sidescan at the same time. that's too bad .

[TNBronzeback]

Im out in crossville for a few days and here are some screen shots of one of the lakes. Grass beds with scattered timber mixed in.
Took 10 casts and put 6 bass in the boat on cranks. Nothing big, but just piddling around while the kids swam.
Gonna be a HOT few nights.

[skillet]

That looks good. I'm gonna play with mine tomorrow. Got it installed last night and ready to go. Can't wait


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[TNBronzeback]

I turned down the picture quality on my phone to reduce thier size so the pictures are showing up grainy.
Its awesome. I love it. Found lots of gill beds too.

[skillet]

I found some blue gill beds yesterday and was blown away!!!! I've got to get an sd card but will have some screen shots soon


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[TNBronzeback]

Yeah its crazy isnt it! super impressed with it.

[skillet]

When the beds are 80-100 feet off to the side and you can very clearly see them, and then look closer and see fish on them!!!!! I was super impressed!!!


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