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porman2006
02-19-2015, 12:33 PM
I was bout renewal my fishing license. When I noticed a new code 024 Res Striper Bass $21. Anyone know anything bout this or did I miss the post already. Thanks for any info. I posted a pic of the page.

jad2t
02-19-2015, 12:39 PM
Wow, that must be new. I did a quick Google search and couldn't find a description or even a mention of it. I wonder if it's like the Trout Stamp where in order to harvest Striped Bass you have to buy this license.

On TWRA website with descriptions of fishing and hunting licenses that one isn't mentioned but when purchasing online, it shows up but with no description other than "Res Striped Bass License Supplimental". I planned to call them today to ask about the Sportsman license and I'll ask about this.

XxthejuicexX
02-19-2015, 01:03 PM
The striper fishing add on is 21 more dollars. Waiting to hear what the tell you Jimmy.

Reel Tune
02-19-2015, 01:16 PM
Wow, that must be new. I did a quick Google search and couldn't find a description or even a mention of it. I wonder if it's like the Trout Stamp where in order to harvest Striped Bass you have to buy this license.


I'm not certain, and don't quote me on this as I'm not a representative of TWRA, or any policing, or regulating authority. But I would say this would be like a trout stamp, and that if you are targeting this fish then you would need the stamp, not only harvesting.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a stamp needed for each stocked fish in the future.

MNfisher
02-19-2015, 01:27 PM
That's why you get the sportsman, then you don't need to worry anything about any supplemental anything


Mike

jad2t
02-19-2015, 01:31 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see a stamp needed for each stocked fish in the future.

But they stock almost every species of fish. I don't think the population of fishermen would like to have to buy supplemental licenses for:

Catfish
Crappie
Walleye
Hybrids
Striped Bass
Largemouth Bass
Smallmouth Bass
Spotted Bass

That would get a bit ridiculous...

Travis C.
02-19-2015, 01:33 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see a stamp needed for each stocked fish in the future.

As funding gets cut for hatcheries, I would guess this to be the same. Will definitely groan a little more paying out for a license this year but it's worth it.

XxthejuicexX
02-19-2015, 01:33 PM
That's why you get the sportsman, then you don't need to worry anything about any supplemental anything


Mike


If I know I can put it to use, I get the sportsman. I did not get it the last two years, fist because my son was born in November of 2013 and I knew I would not get to hunt. Last year I only hunted opening weekend of bow because I was working 2 jobs. I will probably get one this year. If we go with the stocked fish theory, doesn't TWRA stock most species in lakes?

Travis C.
02-19-2015, 01:35 PM
But they stock almost every species of fish. I don't think the population of fishermen would like to have to buy supplemental licenses for:

Catfish
Walleye
Hybrids
Striped Bass
Largemouth Bass
Smallmouth Bass
Spotted Bass

That would get a bit ridiculous...

Most of those minus Hybrids/Striped Bass are just supplemental stockings to natural reproduction not stockings that the fishery as a whole relies on.

Trout, Hybrids and Stripers wouldn't be there in time if stocking stopped.

jad2t
02-19-2015, 01:38 PM
Most of those minus Hybrids/Striped Bass are just supplemental stockings to natural reproduction not stockings that the fishery as a whole relies on.

Trout, Hybrids and Stripers wouldn't be there in time if stocking stopped.

Good point. Yea that might be what it is. Hope the Sportsman license covers it!

XxthejuicexX
02-19-2015, 01:39 PM
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jad2t
02-19-2015, 01:57 PM
Ok I called TWRA. It's just like the trout stamp however it doesn't go into effect until July 1st. Until then you're free to fish for them and harvest them without that supplemental stamp. I'm waiting on a call back to see if the Sportsman license covers it. It most likely does.

Travis C.
02-19-2015, 02:01 PM
Now lets dive a little deeper....

How about a handshake agreement between TVA and TWRA about the "barrier" staying put. TVA gets it closed off which I am sure would please them since the grounds are off limits. TWRA gets to patrol there during prime times for the stamp holders forcing either fines or people to purchase it.

I love a good conspiracy.

ps..I know why and where in July they are starting to enforce it. ;)

Can't blame them on capitalizing in an area where people would obviously come for the experience. No one is coming to TN to chase our hot warmouth bite.

jad2t
02-19-2015, 03:29 PM
And notice I said I'm waiting on a call back. It's almost impossible that TWRA will actually call you back so I'll probably have to ask on their FB page to get an answer. I think it's likely this is covered with the Sportsman license which I plan to get this year anyway.

Reel Tune
02-19-2015, 03:37 PM
Good point. Yea that might be what it is. Hope the Sportsman license covers it!

Exactly, they also stock Sauger, Florida Largemouth, Paddlefish, Blue Catfish, Black Nose Crappie, Black Crappie, Channel Catfish, Bluegill, Redear, Hybrid Bass, and many other species. Next time you're at Bass Pro Shops or somewhere where they carry the Sportsman's Connection maps pick one up and take a look. They are going to want monies for each particular species, and licenses will keep going up. One of these days fishing will be something of the past, and only the wealthy will be able to enjoy. Get your Lifetime license, get your kids Lifetime licenses, get your nephews and nieces Lifetime licenses. Enjoy every moment outdoors like it could be your last, be happy.

jad2t
02-19-2015, 04:14 PM
I'll gladly pay a bit more for Florida Largemouth stockings all over the state!

ttitan27
02-19-2015, 04:17 PM
Here is a link to a thread on another forum. The person responding to my question (im Dbllunger on that forum) is a very, very knowledgeable person that retired just a few weeks ago from many years of service with the TWRA. His name is Steve Nifong. Some folks here may know him.

Looks like we can keep our $21 guys. It was proposed but never passed.

http://www.tndeer.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=302754

Reel Tune
02-19-2015, 04:22 PM
Thank you for the clarification ttitan27, it'll probably be in the next update $$$$.

If I get a Tennessee Lifetime license will it still be valid if I move out of state?

MNfisher
02-19-2015, 04:32 PM
If I get a Tennessee Lifetime license will it still be valid if I move out of state?


Yes. I have a lifetime hunting and fishing for MN. It's great, when I go home for a visit. I can fish or hunt without nonresident fees


Mike

white95v6
02-19-2015, 05:01 PM
in short what a freaking joke.

agelesssone
02-19-2015, 05:31 PM
This thread had me concerned for a bit. I have a lot of customers coming from out of state that want to target stripers/hybrids. Didn't know if they were going to have to buy a supplemental striper license along with their non-resident licenses.

Was wondering if us old timers (over 65) with the lifetime senior citizen licenses were going to have to pony up for one.

If so, would have gladly paid for it. Fishing for those fish is worth a lot more than $21.00 in the fun we have battling them.

well, except for jad2t and XxthejuicexX. It'd kinda be like riding down the highway, tossing dollar bills out the window for the return they'd get on their investment.

It's OK guys, I'll catch you some stripers this summer and mail them to you. But you gotta clean'em.

XxthejuicexX
02-19-2015, 05:51 PM
This thread had me concerned for a bit. I have a lot of customers coming from out of state that want to target stripers/hybrids. Didn't know if they were going to have to buy a supplemental striper license along with their non-resident licenses.

Was wondering if us old timers (over 65) with the lifetime senior citizen licenses were going to have to pony up for one.

If so, would have gladly paid for it. Fishing for those fish is worth a lot more than $21.00 in the fun we have battling them.

well, except for jad2t and XxthejuicexX. It'd kinda be like riding down the highway, tossing dollar bills out the window for the return they'd get on their investment.

It's OK guys, I'll catch you some stripers this summer and mail them to you. But you gotta clean'em.


You are correct, I'm sure I would pay it but I would not be happy about it. I have caught 3 stripers at the steamplant and nothing over 22".

Pookie
02-19-2015, 05:54 PM
Isn't that just like the State...

35 million over-run in taxes from the 4th qtr, and they want to ding us just 'cause they can.

Gasoline hasn't been this low since before Katrina, and Haslam wants to jack up the taxes on fuel, and he has John Schroer standing right beside him on the matter.

Halli
02-19-2015, 06:27 PM
I can tell you that I release EVERY Striper & Smallmouth that I catch
but if I ever have to pay extra to catch a Striper I can Assure you every catch will go in the livewell and what I don't keep I'll give em away (maybe to Laotians haha).

Heiny57
02-19-2015, 08:05 PM
Does it cost more to order a license online than in a bait store or Wally world. I thought they charge like 4 bucks for processing. Is there an advantage of doing online.

MNfisher
02-20-2015, 01:00 AM
Does it cost more to order a license online than in a bait store or Wally world. I thought they charge like 4 bucks for processing. Is there an advantage of doing online.


Just convenient and you can have it on your phone. I no longer carry a paper license, just a pic of it on my phone. Yes, it's like 3-4 bucks to purchase online


Mike

browntrout
02-20-2015, 06:39 AM
Just convenient and you can have it on your phone. I no longer carry a paper license, just a pic of it on my phone. Yes, it's like 3-4 bucks to purchase online


Mike

X2

Roy

MickT
02-20-2015, 04:55 PM
Isn't that just like the State...

35 million over-run in taxes from the 4th qtr, and they want to ding us just 'cause they can.

Gasoline hasn't been this low since before Katrina, and Haslam wants to jack up the taxes on fuel, and he has John Schroer standing right beside him on the matter.

Here's the thing though- TWRA isn't funded by any state sales tax $$$, just license dollars and federal aid/match money from firearm, ammo, and fishing tackle sales. The Commission, not the Agency, set license fees, and most of them are hunters/fishermen and don't want to raise it any more than necessary. And even if TWRA did get some sales tax, do you think your legislators would give them any extra just because we had it? TWRA has been looking at any way possible to keep from having to increase licenses any more than necessary, but stuff costs more than it did 10 years ago.

Heiny57
02-20-2015, 05:17 PM
What if you drop your phone in the water? :D

browntrout
02-20-2015, 08:32 PM
As per Doug Markham the striper license was an error. It is not valid and has been removed from the app. Crisis averted. Cease the mutiny.

Roy

tkwalker
02-21-2015, 01:00 AM
Isn't that just like the State...

35 million over-run in taxes from the 4th qtr, and they want to ding us just 'cause they can.

Gasoline hasn't been this low since before Katrina, and Haslam wants to jack up the taxes on fuel, and he has John Schroer standing right beside him on the matter.

Pooikie, Just like Mick T says and like I have stated many times before ... TWRA is not a bureaucracy it is an agency ... it is only funded by what it takes in as far as revenues ... Licenses, fees etc ... And thank God for that!! Even So I know there is politics involved ... It is less treacherous than our political Government, which the populous is trusting less and less , day by day !!.,.. especially in the past 6 years ... <'TK><:)

TNtroller
02-21-2015, 06:10 AM
What if you drop your phone in the water? :D

icloud??? on the assumption you have a iphone, or possibly photobucket. :p

JeffsLowe
02-23-2015, 10:06 AM
I always buy the Sportsman License - not only covers all my fishing, but all my hunting and TWRA area fees too. An added bonus is putting in for all the hunting draws; motivates me to try out new areas that I might otherwise not.

Like last season - got drawn for Williamsport and not only ended up with a nice little buck, but found some new fishing holes as well. ;)

jad2t
02-23-2015, 10:19 AM
I always buy the Sportsman License - not only covers all my fishing, but all my hunting and TWRA area fees too. An added bonus is putting in for all the hunting draws; motivates me to try out new areas that I might otherwise not.

Like last season - got drawn for Williamsport and not only ended up with a nice little buck, but found some new fishing holes as well. ;)

I got mine yesterday. 2014 was the first year since I was a kid that I decided to finally put the fishing rods down some weekends and get the shotgun and go hunt. I hunted only small game - squirrels, rabbits, and doves but had a lot of fun and ate some good meals. This year I've definitely got all those and turkey and deer on my radar so the Sportsman license is definitely the way to go.

The more time I spend in the management woods, the more I appreciate all the work TWRA does out there and am glad to pay the license cost.

JeffsLowe
02-23-2015, 11:15 AM
I got mine yesterday. 2014 was the first year since I was a kid that I decided to finally put the fishing rods down some weekends and get the shotgun and go hunt. I hunted only small game - squirrels, rabbits, and doves but had a lot of fun and ate some good meals. This year I've definitely got all those and turkey and deer on my radar so the Sportsman license is definitely the way to go.

The more time I spend in the management woods, the more I appreciate all the work TWRA does out there and am glad to pay the license cost.

Yes sir! And having lived/hunted/fished in other states and provinces, I can say I REALLY appreciate the job the TWRA does, as the contrast can be striking. In many other areas the sportsman are treated like the bad guys, just necessary evils existing only for "harvest management" and "revenue generation". Not so here in TN - really impressed with the job they do.

Seems to be a Southern thing - as Alabama, KY, etc,, are all pretty good too. Indiana is bad but tolerable, Illinois is terrible, and Ontario…..seriously….sometimes its like dealing with fish gestapo. Literally. Have been through road checkpoints, trick questions when they check your car, etc.. Several times had them fly in land in the middle of nowhere to check us - which is stupid because the outfitter wouldn't put you in unless you were legal. Even had them check us doing shore lunch and give us a ration because the skin wasn't on the fish before it went in the grease. And now it seems they care more about wolves than hunters...:mad:

Oh well = sorry for the ramble - just wish this weather would break so I can get outdoors instead of hanging around the computer.

Yup major TWRA fan here. ;)

SaltySportsmanTV
03-03-2015, 09:44 PM
So I oppolgize in advance if it was, but if you are planning on purchasing a standard fishing license do it soon because prices per. TWRA are increasing about $4.00 per license soon.

MNfisher
03-04-2015, 06:25 AM
All the increases will be implemented July 1st. You have until then to get the existing rate. They go up anywhere from a few dollars on the smaller license to $30 on the sportsman.


Mike

SalmonDaze
03-04-2015, 08:57 AM
Yes sir! And having lived/hunted/fished in other states and provinces, I can say I REALLY appreciate the job the TWRA does, as the contrast can be striking. In many other areas the sportsman are treated like the bad guys, just necessary evils existing only for "harvest management" and "revenue generation". Not so here in TN - really impressed with the job they do.

Seems to be a Southern thing - as Alabama, KY, etc,, are all pretty good too. Indiana is bad but tolerable, Illinois is terrible, and Ontario…..seriously….sometimes its like dealing with fish gestapo. Literally. Have been through road checkpoints, trick questions when they check your car, etc.. Several times had them fly in land in the middle of nowhere to check us - which is stupid because the outfitter wouldn't put you in unless you were legal. Even had them check us doing shore lunch and give us a ration because the skin wasn't on the fish before it went in the grease. And now it seems they care more about wolves than hunters...:mad:

Oh well = sorry for the ramble - just wish this weather would break so I can get outdoors instead of hanging around the computer.

Yup major TWRA fan here. ;)

I won't add to the other States rankings, but one thing for sure: Ontario is beyond stupid; as is the entire Canadian outdoor Gestapo. I could go on all day about the boundary waters throughout the north.

Pookie
03-04-2015, 02:52 PM
Pooikie, Just like Mick T says and like I have stated many times before ... TWRA is not a bureaucracy it is an agency ... it is only funded by what it takes in as far as revenues ... Licenses, fees etc ... And thank God for that!! Even So I know there is politics involved ... It is less treacherous than our political Government, which the populous is trusting less and less , day by day !!.,.. especially in the past 6 years ... <'TK><:)

It doesn't mean anything now...the legislature is NOT going to revisit the fuel tax issue anyway, this session anyway.

Headhunter
03-04-2015, 05:22 PM
I wish it was 50 or maybe even a 100 dollar tag to target rockfish and hybirds for fishing, whether keeping a legal limit or catch and release. It would be a plus and help the fishery.

jad2t
03-04-2015, 06:19 PM
I wish it was 50 or maybe even a 100 dollar tag to target rockfish and hybirds for fishing, whether keeping a legal limit or catch and release. It would be a plus and help the fishery.

Why would anyone want to pay an extra 50 or 100 dollars for that?

SAMBOLIE
03-04-2015, 07:11 PM
I wish it was 50 or maybe even a 100 dollar tag to target rockfish and hybirds for fishing, whether keeping a legal limit or catch and release. It would be a plus and help the fishery.

That reminds me of those who claim we should pay more income tax.

If you feel strongly about paying more you can simply send them a check. I doubt it will be returned.

For some (most) the license are already too expensive. Stocking programs and some other management areas do cost money to operate. The casual fisherman and hunter receives little benefit from TWRA. What does the TWRA do to make hunting/fishing more productive on private property? My experience is that the catch ratio or fishing has decreased. I know this is not the TWRA fault, however it has decreased IMO.

Dakota
03-04-2015, 09:04 PM
Here is a link to a thread on another forum. The person responding to my question (im Dbllunger on that forum) is a very, very knowledgeable person that retired just a few weeks ago from many years of service with the TWRA. His name is Steve Nifong. Some folks here may know him.

Looks like we can keep our $21 guys. It was proposed but never passed.

http://www.tndeer.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=302754

Thanks for that info. Interesting why it was in print from the first post?

FloatNFish
03-04-2015, 10:27 PM
I wish it was 50 or maybe even a 100 dollar tag to target rockfish and hybirds for fishing, whether keeping a legal limit or catch and release. It would be a plus and help the fishery.

Stirring the pot?

TNBronzeback
03-04-2015, 11:29 PM
I wish it was 50 or maybe even a 100 dollar tag to target rockfish and hybirds for fishing, whether keeping a legal limit or catch and release. It would be a plus and help the fishery.

I guess im not clear on the logic behind that. If the sole purpose behind that is to provide added revenue for the fish/game funding, the smart money would be to go after a more popular game fish, like bass. Some of these weekend tourneys that happen from early spring well into winter would generate tens of thousands of dollars a year based on the per person per year @ $50-$100.
In no way am i suggesting that for all you bass guys, but if revenue is the main goal from that suggestion, i would think it makes sense to go after a money making species. And now that TWRA has listened to the bass community and have a more widespread florida strain stocking plan in place, that just makes more sense.
just my 2 cents worth.

agelesssone
03-05-2015, 10:57 AM
I wish it was 50 or maybe even a 100 dollar tag to target rockfish and hybirds for fishing, whether keeping a legal limit or catch and release. It would be a plus and help the fishery.

I'd also like to propose a "no catch and release" for hybrids and stripers from June thru September.

No culling, no catch and release. Catch your two fish, regardless of size (over the legal limit of 15 inches of course) and you are done for the day. This would eliminate the deaths of many fish that are fought, caught, stressed, mishandled, and released to die from delayed mortality. I'll post just one study out of many that show the mortality rate to be as high as 40% once the water temps reach 79 degrees.

http://www.bigindianabass.com/big_indiana_bass/2013/04/wiper-release-mortality-study.html

And I would support a striper/hybrid stamp if it would increase the size of the fish in JPP. Old Hickory does not get the pressure as does a small impoundment like Percy Priest'

Old Hickory reservoir contains 22,500 acres (91 km2) at an elevation of 445 feet (above sea level) and extends 97.3 river miles.

J Percy Priest lake consists of 14,200 acres (57 km²) of water at summer pool elevation 490 feet (149 m) above mean sea level. The lake covers 42 river miles from the dam near Nashville to between miles six and seven of the Stones River (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stones_River).

Reel Tune
03-05-2015, 11:03 AM
I would be all for like what Merv suggests with the June-Sept, or July-August with your 2 fish limit, no culling, but I would go as far to suggest a two fish limit, but change the length limits to only being able to keep 18"-34" fish, and anything below 18" must be released, and above 34" must be released.

MNfisher
03-05-2015, 11:07 AM
Merv, JPP won't grow big stripers like Old Hick. Not enough current in summer and to warm of water temps. They've tried. That's why they concentrate more on hybrids in priest. I've talked to he TWRA guys about it when I went electro fishing with them a few years ago.


Mike

MNfisher
03-05-2015, 11:11 AM
I would be all for like what Merv suggests with the June-Sept, or July-August with your 2 fish limit, no culling, but I would go as far to suggest a two fish limit, but change the length limits to only being able to keep 18"-34" fish, and anything below 18" must be released, and above 34" must be released.


It would be tough to implement a no culling law because of high mortality rate during high water temps and also a slot. If someone catches several over that 34", they must be released and will still be susceptible to not making it due to the water temps.




Mike

agelesssone
03-05-2015, 11:30 AM
It would be tough to implement a no culling law because of high mortality rate during high water temps and also a slot. If someone catches several over that 34", they must be released and will still be susceptible to not making it due to the water temps.




Mike

I am under the impression that there are not that many "over 34 inchers" that are caught on Priest. I don't have any statistics, anecdotal or empirical, to support my supposition. Just general conversations about the dearth of big stripers in JPP.

The enforcement of the catch and release portion is just the same as all the other regs in the book. It would be up to the individual fisherman to police themselves.

Any guides on the lakes would be required to impose those regulations on themselves and their clients under the honor system they should all be following now.

SAMBOLIE
03-05-2015, 01:48 PM
I am under the impression that there are not that many "over 34 inchers" that are caught on Priest. I don't have any statistics, anecdotal or empirical, to support my supposition. Just general conversations about the dearth of big stripers in JPP.

The enforcement of the catch and release portion is just the same as all the other regs in the book. It would be up to the individual fisherman to police themselves.

Any guides on the lakes would be required to impose those regulations on themselves and their clients under the honor system they should all be following now.

If they are that trustworthy The TWRA could just forget all the patrolling that is costly. Think of the money saved by TWRA if they did not need all those vehicles, fuel, tires, maintenance and officers. License cost could be reduced.:D

TNBronzeback
03-05-2015, 02:19 PM
So here is a hypothetical on the suggested "stamps" and regulations, just so im understanding what we are talking about here, im not stirring the pot just want to get a grasp on the convo: (hypothetical scenario)
as of today i must possess a stamp to "fish" for hybrids/stripers on jpp, i dont plan on pursuring those fish for any number of reasons, its july, i find a school of fish off a channel edge while targeting bass, crappie, carp, ect....i hook and boat a hybrid or striper......now what?
I know i cant legally keep it with no stamp, but the regs say no catch/release this month due to delayed mortality....what do i do? Call TWRA to notify them of it? am i required to leave the area which i know has my target species mixed in just so i dont risk possibly hooking what can be viewed at as a "protected" species?
im all for adjusting regulations for the benefit of the species but something like this can be tricky to properly regulate or it would just be wasted ink in the regulations book.
Maybe im missing something in the logic here so im open to clarification..
A multi-species reservoir isnt as easy to regulate with varying regulations throughout the season.

MNfisher
03-05-2015, 06:25 PM
I am under the impression that there are not that many "over 34 inchers" that are caught on Priest. I don't have any statistics, anecdotal or empirical, to support my supposition. Just general conversations about the dearth of big stripers in JPP.
.


So would this just be a reservoir specific regulation? Because there are places other than priest where fish under 34" are rare."


Mike

agelesssone
03-05-2015, 06:51 PM
So would this just be a reservoir specific regulation? Because there are places other than priest where fish under 34" are rare."


Mike

Mike did you mean to post "under 34" are rare? Or did you mean "over 34"?

And there are reservoir specific regulations in place already.

MNfisher
03-05-2015, 06:54 PM
Mike did you mean to post "under 34" are rare? Or did you mean "over 34"?

And there are reservoir specific regulations in place already.


I meant what I typed, under 34" are rare. And those are areas this wouldn't work.

On priest it would work.


Mike

white95v6
03-05-2015, 07:48 PM
Stamps are stupid...nuff said Lol

Halli
03-05-2015, 09:37 PM
Stamps are stupid...nuff said Lol

Stamps only for non Tennessee born residents!!! :p

Yee Haw................ :D

SAMBOLIE
03-06-2015, 08:12 AM
Stamps only for non Tennessee born residents!!! :p

Yee Haw................ :D

FINALLY, a sensible approach.

I thought about a fee based on the individual's IQ. Lower IQ pays less. Then I realized that TWRA may have to pay Merv and a few others to fish.
:D

XxthejuicexX
03-06-2015, 09:07 AM
FINALLY, a sensible approach.

I thought about a fee based on the individual's IQ. Lower IQ pays less. Then I realized that TWRA may have to pay Merv and a few others to fish.
:D


I could fish for FREE!!!!!

agelesssone
03-06-2015, 10:00 AM
I could fish for FREE!!!!!

Not me!

like SAMBOLIE says, They'd have to pay me!

YAAAAYY!!

Headhunter
03-12-2015, 09:10 AM
I'd also like to propose a "no catch and release" for hybrids and stripers from June thru September.

No culling, no catch and release. Catch your two fish, regardless of size (over the legal limit of 15 inches of course) and you are done for the day. This would eliminate the deaths of many fish that are fought, caught, stressed, mishandled, and released to die from delayed mortality. I'll post just one study out of many that show the mortality rate to be as high as 40% once the water temps reach 79 degrees.

http://www.bigindianabass.com/big_indiana_bass/2013/04/wiper-release-mortality-study.html

And I would support a striper/hybrid stamp if it would increase the size of the fish in JPP. Old Hickory does not get the pressure as does a small impoundment like Percy Priest'

Old Hickory reservoir contains 22,500 acres (91 km2) at an elevation of 445 feet (above sea level) and extends 97.3 river miles.

J Percy Priest lake consists of 14,200 acres (57 km²) of water at summer pool elevation 490 feet (149 m) above mean sea level. The lake covers 42 river miles from the dam near Nashville to between miles six and seven of the Stones River (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stones_River).

Priest is loaded with giant hybrids. I mean loaded. Not sure for how long though with all the asians, laotians, mexicans keeping every fish they catch. That is the main reason behind myself not having a problem with a high striper/hybird tag cost. Not because I am rich, I am far from that, but because I would like to see that fishery (even all the fish species) protected more in any way possible. I promise you, and I am not being racist, but you do not have to look hard to see the abuse those ethnic groups put on all the fish species, but especially stripers/hybrids. many years ago, couple laotians were busted way up in fall creek on Priest netting bass, bluegill, catfish any fish they could get in the net. These people have absolutely zero concept of conservation and may never understand it.

Headhunter
03-12-2015, 09:14 AM
Stamps are stupid...nuff said Lol

I disagree. Stripers/hybrids do not reproduce in fresh water. Those fish have to raised in a hatchery and then transported and released. Someone has to pay and the guys fishing specifically for them should help out in some way, just like the trout fishermen or buy a sportsman license. I do not trout fish so I am not saying that because of that.

Headhunter
03-12-2015, 09:20 AM
I'd also like to propose a "no catch and release" for hybrids and stripers from June thru September.

No culling, no catch and release. Catch your two fish, regardless of size (over the legal limit of 15 inches of course) and you are done for the day. This would eliminate the deaths of many fish that are fought, caught, stressed, mishandled, and released to die from delayed mortality. I'll post just one study out of many that show the mortality rate to be as high as 40% once the water temps reach 79 degrees.

http://www.bigindianabass.com/big_indiana_bass/2013/04/wiper-release-mortality-study.html

And I would support a striper/hybrid stamp if it would increase the size of the fish in JPP. Old Hickory does not get the pressure as does a small impoundment like Percy Priest'

Old Hickory reservoir contains 22,500 acres (91 km2) at an elevation of 445 feet (above sea level) and extends 97.3 river miles.

J Percy Priest lake consists of 14,200 acres (57 km²) of water at summer pool elevation 490 feet (149 m) above mean sea level. The lake covers 42 river miles from the dam near Nashville to between miles six and seven of the Stones River (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stones_River).

No culling is just enforceable. What do you do when you catch one and you don't want it or you are fishing for bass or crappie but you catch several hyrbrids (maybe stripers even) but I have seen times where while bass or crappie fishing I have caught many hybrids and not wanting to catch a hybrid at all. Do I have to quit fishing for crappie or bass because I caught 2 legal hybrids?

XxthejuicexX
03-12-2015, 09:31 AM
Priest is loaded with giant hybrids. I mean loaded. Not sure for how long though with all the asians, laotians, mexicans keeping every fish they catch. That is the main reason behind myself not having a problem with a high striper/hybird tag cost. Not because I am rich, I am far from that, but because I would like to see that fishery (even all the fish species) protected more in any way possible. I promise you, and I am not being racist, but you do not have to look hard to see the abuse those ethnic groups put on all the fish species, but especially stripers/hybrids. many years ago, couple laotians were busted way up in fall creek on Priest netting bass, bluegill, catfish any fish they could get in the net. These people have absolutely zero concept of conservation and may never understand it.



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Headhunter
03-12-2015, 09:32 AM
I guess im not clear on the logic behind that. If the sole purpose behind that is to provide added revenue for the fish/game funding, the smart money would be to go after a more popular game fish, like bass. Some of these weekend tourneys that happen from early spring well into winter would generate tens of thousands of dollars a year based on the per person per year @ $50-$100.
In no way am i suggesting that for all you bass guys, but if revenue is the main goal from that suggestion, i would think it makes sense to go after a money making species. And now that TWRA has listened to the bass community and have a more widespread florida strain stocking plan in place, that just makes more sense.
just my 2 cents worth.

The sole purpose is not revenue. I am sure the TWRA could use it and maybe all the money from the tag could go to striper/hybrid restocking, but moreso to prevent the abuse of the striper/hybrid fishery. It is almost impossible to prove, there is a large group that targets striper/hybrid almost every day of the year and they are selling them.

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03-12-2015, 09:37 AM
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You can make fun of me all you want, but the people I mentioned have no clue about conservation, and they will fish the striper/hybrid population into nonexistence. Below nice mill dam, for years and years you could go fish and catch all the white bass you wanted. Priest still has lots of white bass but the guys I know have quit fishing that area of the river because it has been basically wiped out. These laotians, asians etc. have no clue. they not only catch them to eat, they sell them. Below Cheatham, forever there was a guy collecting stripers as they were caught and carrying them to coolers in their cars. They are becoming even better at concealing what they do and there are not enough officers to be there 24/7. bring that dead horse back, I just hope the fishing lasts through my lifetime.

TNBronzeback
03-12-2015, 05:58 PM
The sole purpose is not revenue. I am sure the TWRA could use it and maybe all the money from the tag could go to striper/hybrid restocking, but moreso to prevent the abuse of the striper/hybrid fishery. It is almost impossible to prove, there is a large group that targets striper/hybrid almost every day of the year and they are selling them.

I understand what your saying, and yes, the idea behind that makes sense, but if there will not be an increase in patrols by the TWRA to check for the permit, then the majority would not purchase it, im not saying that is right, im just saying thats probably how it would go. Also, what i see as a possible issue would be "what makes me a striper fisherman" that would need me to buy the stamp if i dont plan to keep them? Tackle, rigging, location, bait/lures?
I can drift live shad up and down the river all day long with a basic live bait rig down deep for the sole purpose of catch and release stripers in the summer, i do it every year in Melton Hill. That just so happens to be the exact same set-up alot of cat fisherman use too, me included. If the TWRA pulls up to me, see's me drifting live shad, i can tell them no, im not fishing for stripers, im fishing for cats.i have no stripers in the boat, but they cant rightfully ticket me since they have no proof im targeting stripers, if they see me catch and release one, well i cant control what fish eats my live bait. that may sound childish to some, but thats how these things work, ive seen it myself in michigan, hell ive done it! (not proudly, but i was young and just wanted to catch some spawning bass). now some methods, like planer boards are a different story or topwater, but in my opinion there is enough of a grey area to allow people to still target them most of the year, but not have enough evidence to prove they are in the wrong, unless they keep them.
Im not trying to shoot down anybody else's idea's here or argue with anybody, but its not as simple as creating a high dollar stamp and hoping the honor system works ya know.

white95v6
03-12-2015, 09:22 PM
I disagree. Stripers/hybrids do not reproduce in fresh water. Those fish have to raised in a hatchery and then transported and released. Someone has to pay and the guys fishing specifically for them should help out in some way, just like the trout fishermen or buy a sportsman license. I do not trout fish so I am not saying that because of that.

I am well aware of that stripers /hybrids don't reproduce....but stamps are stupid i say again. Even the the trout stamp.

tkwalker
03-12-2015, 11:16 PM
I disagree. Stripers/hybrids do not reproduce in fresh water. Those fish have to raised in a hatchery and then transported and released. Someone has to pay and the guys fishing specifically for them should help out in some way, just like the trout fishermen or buy a sportsman license. I do not trout fish so I am not saying that because of that.

This is not quite a true statement (Speaking of Stripers on Old Hickory, Hey they are not hybrids, their natural instinct is to spawn ... Why do you think they swim upstream in the Spring ... Yep To spawn, and a false spawn in the Fall ... Kind of a false hatch like Turkeys ... The Rocks do the same thing in the Fall except they won't have row ) ... The TWRA biologist that I worked and spoke with in the 80's, 90's and early 2000 stated that about 5% actually reproduced in this fishery ... In A Heart Beat you can tell if a Big Sow has spawned ... But to reproduce you need the following ....

Now it has to be select waters ... They need 9 miles of hard current to keep the Fry tumbling before they can survive on their on... If the current is lost they drop to the bottom in the rocks ... Think about where their Journey ends after stopping by for a brief time at GSP ... They are looking for The perfect spawn temp ... 60 degree water and premo bait fish (Skippies) ... Just a heads up ..<'TK>< ;) PHD in Piscatorial Paraphernalia and Scaly Face Psychology ...

tennarl
03-12-2015, 11:58 PM
Priest is loaded with giant hybrids. I mean loaded. Not sure for how long though with all the asians, laotians, mexicans keeping every fish they catch. That is the main reason behind myself not having a problem with a high striper/hybird tag cost. Not because I am rich, I am far from that, but because I would like to see that fishery (even all the fish species) protected more in any way possible. I promise you, and I am not being racist, but you do not have to look hard to see the abuse those ethnic groups put on all the fish species, but especially stripers/hybrids. many years ago, couple laotians were busted way up in fall creek on Priest netting bass, bluegill, catfish any fish they could get in the net. These people have absolutely zero concept of conservation and may never understand it.

In my experience, someone who refers to multiple "minorities" in a public forum and later says "promise you, I'm not racist" is probably racist. I'm guessing, but you were born pre-1960, no? Not here to cause huge stink, but I'll cause a minor one because you weren't even trying to hide your distaste. Like no white, redneck has ever over-harvested fish. And don't give us the "conservation" nonsense. For every "Laotian" I've seen taking home a stringer of crappies there's 10 -- here it comes again -- white, rednecks driving around percy drunk, tossing trash overboard, and saying the same gibberish as you under their breath. I'm sure I'm in the minority with my take considering the likely demographics of this board but figure someone should say something.

Suppose this is a bad time to ask about water clarity, no?

tennarl
03-13-2015, 12:19 AM
Damn! Pretty quick to judge yourself, aren't ya? You love using the word redneck, but probably despise the use of the word nigger. Oh yeah, just figured somebody ought to say something.

So by calling someone out for being overtly racist, it spurred someone else to defend said racist by using the n-word on a public forum. But you used it passive aggressively, so everyone should probably just give you a pass, no?

Pookie
03-13-2015, 12:26 AM
So by calling someone out for being overtly racist, it spurred someone else to defend said racist by using the n-word on a public forum. But you used it passive aggressively, so everyone should probably just give you a pass, no?

You are the only prick here deciding who is racist, and who isn't. And yeah, I probably ought to just get a pass. If you don't like it, take it up with TK. He's the only one here that gets to make that call. It's certainly not your call.

tennarl
03-13-2015, 12:39 AM
You are the only prick here deciding who is racist, and who isn't. And yeah, I probably ought to just get a pass. If you don't like it, take it up with TK. He's the only one here that gets to make that call. It's certainly not your call.

I'm not deciding anything. Ask any outside opinion about that dude's post and they would tell you it was offensive and racist regardless of accuracy or intention. But because this is a small "community" people feel it OK to just spit out whatever pops into their head because there are surrounded by what they believe to be a group that will agree. The problem is, I didn't agree. It was garbage. You defending him was garbage. And to a certain degree, my response was as well but if it makes at least one person think before they spew out some narrow-minded stream of consciousness, then mission accomplished.

white95v6
03-13-2015, 01:31 AM
Headhunter has said many times he has took home limits day after day if bass,crappie etc etc....lmao

Not that really care

tkwalker
03-13-2015, 01:36 AM
In my experience, someone who refers to multiple "minorities" in a public forum and later says "promise you, I'm not racist" is probably racist. I'm guessing, but you were born pre-1960, no? Not here to cause huge stink, but I'll cause a minor one because you weren't even trying to hide your distaste. Like no white, redneck has ever over-harvested fish. And don't give us the "conservation" nonsense. For every "Laotian" I've seen taking home a stringer of crappies there's 10 -- here it comes again -- white, rednecks driving around percy drunk, tossing trash overboard, and saying the same gibberish as you under their breath. I'm sure I'm in the minority with my take considering the likely demographics of this board but figure someone should say something.

Suppose this is a bad time to ask about water clarity, no?

Andrew, I have been following this thread for sometime ... And Andrew there is only about 10 years different in both of your ages ... I see where Headhunter is coming from .. This topic has been hit many times before ... Illegal Harvesting , trashing the banks etc. by Asians, Latino's , etc...

Here is my 7 decade observation on this subject of fishing Middle Tennessee ... I will start with the last three decades In reference to the Asians and Latino's, etc ... Now this is my personal observations while fishing and guiding on JPP, East and West Fork and Old Hickory, also Barkley, Cheatham, Normandy, Center Hill ...

When the first wave of (for the most part from Latin America was Illegal 's, the Asian Community were more documented) The worst that I saw as far as overharvesting was from the 80's up to mid 2000 ... Since that time I have seen a reduction as far a Blatant overharvesting and trashing ... And I do think communication and education has helped some ... Now there is an undue Stigma that is held on the earlier years for sure ... But the overharvesting and trashing is still there today...

Now let's look at us White Rednecks .. Yep we are guilty as charged! Now the legal aspect of this if you can find some 50's thru 70's fishing Magazines of the stringers of fish that was kept legally, including tournaments, held up by the Proud Fisherman on stringers which would be considered illegal by today's standards ..Especially keeping the BASS :eek:...

Now are we white rednecks guilty of overharvesting and Trashing .. yes indeed !! I have witnessed dozens of trophy stripers laying on the bank of the Caney with their throats cut by the locals in Carthage because they were considered trash fish with their Beer cans and whisky bottles ... Also while trout fishing on the Caney at Bettys Island a family of locals catching over limit trout and hauling them up to their house on their 4 wheeler and coming back to reload ... Crappie Fishing, Bass Fishing, Stripers etc ... But the overharvesting and trashing is still there today... BY the white Redneck ...


Also have paid the price by approaching a fisherman (White Redneck) who was keeping undersize Stripers 3 times the limit ... What I received back at the ramp was all four of my tandem trailer and all 4 of my truck Valve stems pulled from my wheels ... all 8 on a Sunday evening a nightfall ... Yep they were all white rednecks ...

So Andrew here is what I think and a question ... I think you are a fisherman and want to gain from this site and I feel could add a lot of valuable information for us ... And to be honest I know that all of our members are not white and rednecks ... Now this is a family oriented site and I will say everything was honest and above board ... But now it has got way off subject from the original post ... But it was a great subject (Again) But remember there are a lot of great members here ... and don't judge our age in regards to prejudice .. Now you are profiling, and you are wrong !!... Which is not uncommon for a 37 year old ...

Now we have a couple of members who add nothing as far as good info to the site for a LONG TIME!... all they want to do is gripe and complain about the site and cause trouble ... This conversation was none of the above ... Thanks for you input ... <'TK>< :)

tennarl
03-13-2015, 08:31 AM
TK -- Fair response. Appreciate the board.

jad2t
03-13-2015, 08:33 AM
I'm glad we are able to decide who is and isn't racist. That's something that has always been missing from this forum and we really need.

Headhunter
03-13-2015, 08:39 AM
Headhunter has said many times he has took home limits day after day if bass,crappie etc etc....lmao

Not that really care


Only thing I have kept in many, many years are crappie and bluegil. As far as what I took home, I kept legal limits, nothing over.

Headhunter
03-13-2015, 08:56 AM
I know there are people from all walks of life who abuse game laws and who trash up the lakes and rivers. But I challenge anyone to go below Cheatam and Percy Priest (and many other dams in this state) and tell me what you observe. Also walk the lake banks at Priest (not as bad) but still does not take long to see a person, asian, laotian, etc. breaking game laws. The only people who have ever attempted to buy hybrids and/or stripers from me were asian or laotian and that is for sure illegal.

Most importantly also, I don't care what color, race, gender, age, etc. a person is, if I see them breaking a game law, I talk to them and report it and if someone saw me doing something wrong I would expect the same.

jad2t
03-13-2015, 11:28 AM
So by calling someone out for being overtly racist,

Seems to me like you don't understand the definition of racism.

Mentioning that a particular race has a large population that is quite often observed committing the act of poaching with no respect for our hunting and fishing regulations does not mean he is racist towards said race.

Does it mean I'm racist towards black people if I pointed out that the large majority of the people burning down buildings, looting, and assaulting people in Ferguson recently were black?

tkwalker
03-13-2015, 12:04 PM
The Lounge is where you need to carry this if anyone wishes .... <'TK><